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Subject:    [ros-users] [Discourse.ros.org] [General] Final call: ROS Summer Course 2018 - Online & Certificate
From:       "Steve Macenski via Discourse.ros.org via ros-users" <ros-users () lists ! ros ! org>
Date:       2019-01-29 20:17:55
Message-ID: topic/5606/17712 () discourse ! ros ! org
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I think we might be going in a different direction than I intended. It's not that I \
think its important there's some generalized set of things someone must learn to \
qualify for a given "certification level", its the fact that the curriculum seems to \
not have been created with informed opinions from industry about elements that should \
be included to represent a real hiring advantage by having the certification you are \
trying to provide. If this was branded as just a course to learn ROS that's one \
thing, but that's not how the webpages read. 

When you make claims like "job ready" without actually talking to folks that are \
hiring roboticists/ROS users, it seems like false advertising and some \
mis-information for non-robotics folks/graduate students - potentially leading to \
false expectations of their skill level leaving or the marketability of a \
certification. A certification won't mean much (or anything) to anyone hiring \
roboticists if they didn't have a say in what was covered *or* even knowing a list of \
things this certification would let me expect them to know. Udacity can do what they \
do because the coursework is widely available and I can see what it is someone with a \
nano-degree is expected to know and generally the skillsets taught in a course like \
that are reasonably in-depth (as far as you can in a few months) for the ~800 price \
tag. 

I don't think any organization - except by a larger decree from OR or similar status \
organization - should define what it means to be certified in ROS or the surrounding \
ecosystem. However if you made aware what your certification does, and it actually \
represents a significant volume of knowledge beyond that of a graduate student's \
messing around with research for a few years, that could represent value to hiring \
folks. But that's still not really enough to claim "job ready", I think that claim \
requires some type of partnership or extensive polling of robotics companies to make \
this certification carry weight to be a meaningful influencer in hiring cycles.

tl;dr  this seems to be a more extended version of what @vmayoral mentioned, with an \
additional dive into the "job ready" claim that I take issue with.





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