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Subject:    Re: relax-users Digest, Vol 69, Issue 12
From:       "Edward d'Auvergne" <edward () domain ! hid>
Date:       2012-04-05 18:10:59
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Cheers!


On 5 April 2012 19:55, Muthu, Dhanasekaran - (dhanas)
<dhanas@domain.hid> wrote:
> Edward,
> 
> I used relax-1.3_tickcount_fix.Darwin.dmg.
> 
> I really appreciate you are working on this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dhanas
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Edward d'Auvergne wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dhanas,
> > 
> > Could you say which DMG file you are using?  I'm currently building an
> > entirely new Mac 'Framework' for Python/numpy/scipy/wxPython, and
> > hopefully I can use this to produce a working relax app for Lion
> > users.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Edward
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 5 April 2012 19:41, Muthu, Dhanasekaran - (dhanas)
> > <dhanas@domain.hid> wrote:
> > > Hi Edward,
> > > 
> > > It is not working on my Mac machine running Lion. The icon bounces few times \
> > > after double clicking. But do nothing. 
> > > -Dhanas Muthu
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:32 AM, <relax-users-request@domain.hid> wrote:
> > > 
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> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > (Edward d'Auvergne)
> > > > 2. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > (Martin Ballaschk)
> > > > 3. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > (Ben Eisenbraun)
> > > > 4. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > (Edward d'Auvergne)
> > > > 5. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > (Edward d'Auvergne)
> > > > 6. Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > (Ben Eisenbraun)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:31:53 +0200
> > > > From: "Edward d'Auvergne" <edward@domain.hid>
> > > > To: Ben Eisenbraun <bene@domain.hid>
> > > > Cc: "relax-users@domain.hid" <relax-users@domain.hid>
> > > > Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > > <CAED9pY_8JZLPeCxbwKdRDQaZrd6scOqW0dXG5Sk51=Fdoper0g@domain.hidl.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I have now created a little ugly hack in the relax main 1.3 line to
> > > > work around the Mac Application problem with the missing
> > > > Carbon.Evt.TickCount error message (due to Python version issues).
> > > > This is as I described at
> > > > https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-users/2012-04/msg00021.html, the
> > > > command line argument emulation has been turned off relax now works
> > > > around this.  I have created a special relax application DMG file for
> > > > testing at http://download.gna.org/relax/.  The temporary file is
> > > > called relax-1.3_tickcount_fix.Darwin.dmg (with a md5sum of
> > > > d2b2c4455ea9783023d81e096e22072f).  Could I ask anyone who is
> > > > suffering from, or who can trigger, this TickCount problem if you
> > > > could check and see if the problem is now eliminated?
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > 
> > > > Edward
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 5 April 2012 10:33, Edward d'Auvergne <edward@domain.hid> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Ben,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you for that info, that will really help in solving some of
> > > > > these problems! ?I never though that one of the issues is that of the
> > > > > machine architecture. ?This is obviously a multi-layer, i.e. not just
> > > > > one failure point, problem with the py2app script for converting
> > > > > Python programs/scripts into full Mac Applications
> > > > > (http://wiki.python.org/moin/MacPython/py2app,
> > > > > http://svn.pythonmac.org/py2app/py2app/trunk/doc/index.html). ?I might
> > > > > have to approach this in a number of ways, some fixes will probably
> > > > > allow relax to run for some Mac users while others will not be so
> > > > > lucky. ?In the first attack, I will try to eliminate this TickCount
> > > > > problem. ?This seams to be a problem with program argument emulation
> > > > > on the Mac with certain Python versions. ?A solution is posted at
> > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3,
> > > > >  where the suggested code is:
> > > > > 
> > > > > APP = ['MyApp.py']
> > > > > OPTIONS = {
> > > > > ? 'argv_emulation': False,
> > > > > ? ...
> > > > > }
> > > > > 
> > > > > setup(
> > > > > ? ?app=APP,
> > > > > ? ?options={'py2app': OPTIONS},
> > > > > ? ?setup_requires=['py2app'],
> > > > > )
> > > > > 
> > > > > In relax's py2app setup.py script, the 'argv_emulation' is currently
> > > > > set to True (see
> > > > > http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/relax/1.3/setup.py?revision=15481&content-type=text%2Fplain).
> > > > >  ?relax currently requires arguments, but maybe I can hack the code to
> > > > > catch this and skip the argument processing. ?But only for this
> > > > > situation as the prompt/scripting UI modes will be important for some
> > > > > users.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This fix doesn't solve the problem of the py2app created relax app not
> > > > > using the bundled Python version and internal Python modules, so some
> > > > > users will still be affected by that. ?For some people this is not an
> > > > > issue while for others it causes relax to fail.
> > > > > 
> > > > > A third problem might be in the wxPython code, as was seen and
> > > > > reported by Jack Howarth when creating the Fink distribution of relax
> > > > > (see the threads starting at
> > > > > https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-users/2012-03/msg00053.html and
> > > > > https://mail.gna.org/public/relax-users/2012-04/msg00003.html, and
> > > > > http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/browse.php?name=relax). ?This will
> > > > > probably also affect those who install relax from the sources
> > > > > distribution file
> > > > > (http://www.nmr-relax.com/download.html#Source_code_release). ?The
> > > > > problem might require a workaround inside the relax GUI code. ?I will
> > > > > try to tackle each problem one by one, and hopefully as each is solved
> > > > > more and more users will have luck in running relax in GUI mode on the
> > > > > Mac.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Edward
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > P. S. ?For those users who can currently run the relax application in
> > > > > GUI mode from the DMG file, these fixes should not affect you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 4 April 2012 18:58, Ben Eisenbraun <bene@domain.hid> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Edward,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am seeing the same issues reported by others.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ?$ open /programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Output in Console.app:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 4/4/12 12:15:26.639 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: Traceback \
> > > > > > (most recent call last): 4/4/12 12:15:26.639 PM \
> > > > > > [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? File \
> > > > > > "/nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", \
> > > > > > line 126, in <module> 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM \
> > > > > > [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? ? _argv_emulation() 4/4/12 \
> > > > > > 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? File \
> > > > > > "/nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", \
> > > > > > line 124, in _argv_emulation 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM \
> > > > > > [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? ? _get_argvemulator().mainloop() \
> > > > > > 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? File \
> > > > > > "/nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", \
> > > > > > line 63, in mainloop 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM \
> > > > > > [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: ? ? stoptime = Evt.TickCount() + \
> > > > > > timeout 4/4/12 12:15:26.640 PM [0x0-0x18a28a1].com.nmr-relax.relax: \
> > > > > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'TickCount' 4/4/12 \
> > > > > > 12:15:26.715 PM relax: relax Error 
> > > > > > This is a problem related to Carbon support in 32-bit vs 64-bit Python. I
> > > > > > can reproduce this on the command line in 10.6 and 10.7 like so:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ?$ type python
> > > > > > python is hashed (/usr/bin/python)
> > > > > > ?$ python
> > > > > > Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Jun 16 2011, 16:59:05)
> > > > > > [GCC 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)] on \
> > > > > > darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more \
> > > > > > information.
> > > > > > > > > from Carbon import Evt
> > > > > > > > > Evt.TickCount()
> > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > > > > > ?File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> > > > > > AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'TickCount'
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And it's because the 64-bit Python doesn't have full Carbon support:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ?$ export VERSIONER_PYTHON_PREFER_32_BIT=true
> > > > > > ?$ python
> > > > > > Python 2.7.1 (r271:86832, Jun 16 2011, 16:59:06)
> > > > > > [GCC 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)] on \
> > > > > > darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more \
> > > > > > information.
> > > > > > > > > from Carbon import Evt
> > > > > > > > > Evt.TickCount()
> > > > > > 278493166
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Similar thread here:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > I can run the relax binary directly if I force 32-bit:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ?$ arch -i386 relax.app/Contents/MacOS/relax
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And I can get the relax.app bundle to work if I lipo the relax binary:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ?$ mv relax relax.orig
> > > > > > ?$ lipo -thin i386 -output relax relax.orig
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I tried various other ways of forcing 32-bitness for Python: lipo'ing the
> > > > > > python binaries, export VERISONER_PYTHON_PREFER_32_BIT=true,
> > > > > > LSArchitecturePriority in the Info.plist without effect.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -ben
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Ben Eisenbraun
> > > > > > > SBGrid Consortium ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| http://sbgrid.org ? ? ? |
> > > > > > > Harvard Medical School ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | http://hms.harvard.edu ?|
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Message: 2
> > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:47:47 +0200
> > > > From: Martin Ballaschk <ballaschk@domain.hid>
> > > > To: "Edward d'Auvergne" <edward@domain.hid>
> > > > Cc: "relax-users@domain.hid" <relax-users@domain.hid>
> > > > Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > Message-ID: <64F7FCE8-479D-4EDB-ABCB-082234D076A8@domain.hid>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Edward,
> > > > 
> > > > On 05.04.2012, at 15:31, Edward d'Auvergne wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Could I ask anyone who is
> > > > > suffering from, or who can trigger, this TickCount problem if you
> > > > > could check and see if the problem is now eliminated?
> > > > 
> > > > Still failing here:
> > > > 
> > > > $ open relax.app
> > > > 
> > > > Console errors:
> > > > 05.04.12 15:42:38,708 [0x0-0x625625].com.nmr-relax.relax: Please install the \
> > > > wx Python module to access the relax GUI. 
> > > > $ cd /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/
> > > > $ ./relax
> > > > Please install the wx Python module to access the relax GUI.
> > > > $ ./python
> > > > python: posix_spawn: /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python2.6: No \
> > > > such file or directory 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > But when forcing 32bit/i386 by using "arch" it works.
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Martin
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Ballaschk
> > > > AG Schmieder
> > > > Leibniz-Institut f?r Molekulare Pharmakologie
> > > > Robert-R?ssle-Str. 10
> > > > 13125 Berlin
> > > > ballaschk@domain.hid
> > > > Tel.: +49-30-94793-234/315
> > > > B?ro: A 1.26
> > > > Labor: C 1.10
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Message: 3
> > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:20:54 -0400
> > > > From: Ben Eisenbraun <bene@domain.hid>
> > > > To: "Edward d'Auvergne" <edward@domain.hid>
> > > > Cc: "relax-users@domain.hid" <relax-users@domain.hid>
> > > > Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > Message-ID: <20120405142054.GA3371@domain.hid>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Edward,
> > > > 
> > > > > A solution is posted at
> > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3,
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I saw that suggestion when I read the thread yesterday. If you're willing
> > > > to give up the 64-bit version, this thread might also be useful:
> > > > 
> > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7472301/how-to-force-py2app-to-run-app-in-32-bit-mode
> > > >  
> > > > > This fix doesn't solve the problem of the py2app created relax app not
> > > > > using the bundled Python version and internal Python modules, so some
> > > > > users will still be affected by that.
> > > > 
> > > > Yesterday when I was looking at this, I added a 'print sys.executable' to
> > > > __boot__.py and got:
> > > > 
> > > > 4/4/12 12:40:10.353 PM [0x0-0x18ac8ab].com.nmr-relax.relax: \
> > > > /nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python 
> > > > And it doesn't change regardless of what PythonExecutable or
> > > > PyRunTimeLocation is set to in the Info.plist. So it appears that it is
> > > > calling the correct binary, but the Contents/MacOS/python is just a binary
> > > > wrapper for some other python? I suppose I should read the py2app docs at
> > > > some point.
> > > > 
> > > > -ben
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > > Ben Eisenbraun
> > > > > SBGrid Consortium                          | http://sbgrid.org       |
> > > > > Harvard Medical School                     | http://hms.harvard.edu  |
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Message: 4
> > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:49:08 +0200
> > > > From: "Edward d'Auvergne" <edward@domain.hid>
> > > > To: Ben Eisenbraun <bene@domain.hid>
> > > > Cc: "relax-users@domain.hid" <relax-users@domain.hid>
> > > > Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > > <CAED9pY-023FUeuHGVpDvwdk7R3RWxYbN_kLyV+YOoM5WZWASTw@domain.hid.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > > > A solution is posted at
> > > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3461983/evt-tickcount-not-found-with-python2-6-on-osx-10-6-3,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I saw that suggestion when I read the thread yesterday. If you're willing
> > > > > to give up the 64-bit version, this thread might also be useful:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7472301/how-to-force-py2app-to-run-app-in-32-bit-mode
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Is it worth having a 64-bit x86 version?  Would any Mac users need or
> > > > use this?  I was hoping to distribute a working Universal binary.
> > > > Forcing the i386 architecture may cause problems for people on old ppc
> > > > machines, so I would like to find a more elegant solution than forcing
> > > > i386 on all Mac users.  I could set the LSArchitecturePriority
> > > > Info.plist value to i386 and ppc in the py2app 'setup.py' script and
> > > > then recreate the app, then maybe this would be a solution.  But there
> > > > must be a better way.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > This fix doesn't solve the problem of the py2app created relax app not
> > > > > > using the bundled Python version and internal Python modules, so some
> > > > > > users will still be affected by that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yesterday when I was looking at this, I added a 'print sys.executable' to
> > > > > __boot__.py and got:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 4/4/12 12:40:10.353 PM [0x0-0x18ac8ab].com.nmr-relax.relax: \
> > > > > /nfs/programs/i386-mac/relax/1.3.14/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python 
> > > > > And it doesn't change regardless of what PythonExecutable or
> > > > > PyRunTimeLocation is set to in the Info.plist. So it appears that it is
> > > > > calling the correct binary, but the Contents/MacOS/python is just a binary
> > > > > wrapper for some other python? I suppose I should read the py2app docs at
> > > > > some point.
> > > > 
> > > > The Contents/MacOS/python file is strange.  It is not python, but a
> > > > wrapper to the real Python binary (with a capital P) located somewhere
> > > > else in the relax.app file hierarchy.  From memory (I cannot find the
> > > > docs at the moment), this is a special file which suppresses the
> > > > prompt mode of Python and allows it interact properly as a Mac
> > > > application (with the menus, dock, etc.).
> > > > 
> > > > I could be wrong, but the Mac Info.plist files seem to only be a front
> > > > to what is actually inside the app, so changing it does nothing.  I
> > > > don't know why it is pointing to the wrong Python version, but this is
> > > > clearly a problem with the py2app script (or the relax setup.py
> > > > configuration file).  The sys.executable print outs in the Mac Console
> > > > app should be correct though.  I think I might now go and investigate
> > > > the wxPython install that comes with Xcode 3.2.6 using the 'file'
> > > > program.  I wonder if these binaries are truly 'Universal'?
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > 
> > > > Edward
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Message: 5
> > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:15:59 +0200
> > > > From: "Edward d'Auvergne" <edward@domain.hid>
> > > > To: Martin Ballaschk <ballaschk@domain.hid>
> > > > Cc: "relax-users@domain.hid" <relax-users@domain.hid>
> > > > Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > > <CAED9pY_Q1kaOtN+sTDzPJpD7haGjE5TokUBRjV8KoQcs5W6sUQ@mail.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > Ok, that's great news.  Using the 'open' command and forcing i386 will
> > > > allow the Python and Python modules bundled with the relax app to be
> > > > used rather than the system installed versions.  I now know that I
> > > > have to go hunt down an Universal binary architecture problem.  I have
> > > > a feeling that something that comes with Xcode 3.2.6 is not properly
> > > > set up as a Universal binary.  But at least you can run relax by
> > > > forcing the machine architecture!
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > 
> > > > Edward
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 5 April 2012 15:47, Martin Ballaschk <ballaschk@domain.hid> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Edward,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 05.04.2012, at 15:31, Edward d'Auvergne wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Could I ask anyone who is
> > > > > > suffering from, or who can trigger, this TickCount problem if you
> > > > > > could check and see if the problem is now eliminated?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Still failing here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > $ open relax.app
> > > > > 
> > > > > Console errors:
> > > > > 05.04.12 15:42:38,708 [0x0-0x625625].com.nmr-relax.relax: Please install \
> > > > > the wx Python module to access the relax GUI. 
> > > > > $ cd /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/
> > > > > $ ./relax
> > > > > Please install the wx Python module to access the relax GUI.
> > > > > $ ./python
> > > > > python: posix_spawn: /Applications/relax.app/Contents/MacOS/python2.6: No \
> > > > > such file or directory 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But when forcing 32bit/i386 by using "arch" it works.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Martin
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > Martin Ballaschk
> > > > > AG Schmieder
> > > > > Leibniz-Institut f?r Molekulare Pharmakologie
> > > > > Robert-R?ssle-Str. 10
> > > > > 13125 Berlin
> > > > > ballaschk@domain.hid
> > > > > Tel.: +49-30-94793-234/315
> > > > > B?ro: A 1.26
> > > > > Labor: C 1.10
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Message: 6
> > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:31:51 -0400
> > > > From: Ben Eisenbraun <bene@domain.hid>
> > > > To: "Edward d'Auvergne" <edward@domain.hid>
> > > > Cc: "relax-users@domain.hid" <relax-users@domain.hid>
> > > > Subject: Re: Temperature calibration & relax @ Mac OS X 10.7.3 ?Lion?
> > > > Message-ID: <20120405153151.GA5314@domain.hid>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Edward,
> > > > 
> > > > > Is it worth having a 64-bit x86 version?
> > > > 
> > > > Does relax need to access more than 4 GB of RAM per process/thread? I think
> > > > that's still the main deciding factor in the 32/64-bit choice. Apple claims
> > > > that 64-bit apps can see a 5-15% performance increase depending on workload
> > > > due to the extra general purpose CPU registers available in 64-bit mode.
> > > > *shrug*
> > > > 
> > > > Among my user population, we have very few PPC users left. The stats from
> > > > our ~425 OS X users in March:
> > > > 
> > > > https://developer.sbgrid.org/~bene/consortium-stats/four.html
> > > > https://developer.sbgrid.org/~bene/consortium-stats/five.html
> > > > 
> > > > Given the current difficulties, my suggestion would be to simplify,
> > > > simplify, simplify. :-) Once you have a stable package that is working for
> > > > the most common platforms, i.e. OS X Intel 10.6/7, then add more options as
> > > > necessary to satisfy the corner cases.
> > > > 
> > > > As an aside, the linux packages work great on every distro I've tested:
> > > > Red Hat/CentOS 5 and 6, Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.10, Debian 6, 32 and 64-bit for
> > > > all of them.
> > > > 
> > > > -ben
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > > Ben Eisenbraun
> > > > > SBGrid Consortium                          | http://sbgrid.org       |
> > > > > Harvard Medical School                     | http://hms.harvard.edu  |
> > > > 
> > > > 
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