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List:       redhat-devel
Subject:    Re: jdk and java rpms
From:       Fred Leeflang <fredl () dutchie ! dwagon ! org>
Date:       1997-05-11 19:23:17
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On Sun, 11 May 1997, Ricardo Delima - Technology Office wrote:

> Pardon me but you must allow me to scoff:

There's no need for that.

> >Personally I don't give a .01$ worth to Java. X is neat to have.
> 
> I fail to see what vested interest you have in this discussion if this
> is your line of thought. Where are all this "java sucks" X programmers
> coming from?

  Let me rephrase, my original intent with this email, and which was in
the very first line of it, was to take this 'this sucks/that sucks' kinda
arguments to an advocacy newsgroup and my 'I don't give .01$ worth to Java
was *not* intended to say it sucks. Personally I don't use it, that's why
it has no real value to *me*. Otherwise, I think it's a noble thing of Sun
to use the same marketing tricks MS has been releasing on humanity for a
long time.

> >   This thread is more about standardizing the FS tho. I don't know if
> > anybody can CC this thread to a java mailinglist at Sun and raise the
> > question why they apparently never bothered about the _linux_ FSSTND with
> > Java.
> 
> Well, that may be because Linux is not supported and because the JDK in
> Solaris is doing well and fine in /usr/java -- and that's the java
> everyone and their dog will use. If you need other versions of the jdk
> you are solo -- after all this is a developers issue not a users issue
> and users will expect to have the latest java (assuming the lastest java
> does run the older java bytecodes *of course*).

  I think the whole Unix/Linux community owes a lot to Sun, if you'd look
a little bit closer at the point I tried to make, you'd see that this was
actually a constructive effort, more so than what you're trying to do wth
your rather unbalanced flame.

> Your argument is presumptuous and arrogant. Insted of providing
> solutions to the problem at hand you point fingers at Javasoft and ask
> them to make life for you in your platform of choice. Get real.
> 

  I do not point fingers at Sun, see above. However, I think the FSSTND
makes *sense* in many things. It's a constructive attempt to create a
standard for a LARGE group of people, a VERY big group of new engineers in
the field of Linux and Unix in general, also for Sun. As a computing
professional who learned his Unix knowledge mostly on a Linux system, and 
now mostly working with Solaris, I am one of those. I was not trying to
*tell* Sun how to do things (altho I'd have some tips if I would :) I was
merely trying to suggest a sensible thing to do IMHO. And I'm pretty real,
thank you.

> this is all my opinion.
> 

  I concur with that one :)

-Fred Leeflang.

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