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Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Embedding PDF documents created in R in Word documents
From: Marc Schwartz <marc_schwartz () me ! com>
Date: 2018-03-27 17:56:38
Message-ID: 63A60D08-5037-44F2-B97D-8942FFEB79FF () me ! com
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Hi Dennis,
Sounds like it is time to shift the communications to MS support. Perhaps providing \
them with application/OS version details and copies of the relevant files will enable \
some debugging on their end.
Still not sure why I am not experiencing the behavior...
Regards,
Marc
> On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Dennis Fisher <fisher@plessthan.com> wrote:
>
> Mark
>
> The two computers that exhibit this are both from 2017. The one that works \
> correctly is a bit older. Now that it is reasonably clear that R is doing the \
> right thing, the question is how to fix this in Office.
> I just tried one more thing — I have an RTF document with embedded JPEGs that was \
> created on one of the problem computers. I just opened the document on a fourth \
> computer (purchased in 2013) running El Capitan. In Word 2016, half-size; in Word \
> 2008, full size. So, Word appears to be the culprit, although not consistently.
> Dennis
>
> Dennis Fisher MD
> P < (The "P Less Than" Company)
> Phone / Fax: 1-866-PLessThan (1-866-753-7784)
> www.PLessThan.com <http://www.plessthan.com/>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 27, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwartz@me.com \
> > <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com>> wrote:
> > Interesting.
> >
> > Given that I am not [yet] experiencing this behavior, which has a retina display \
> > (mid 2014 15-inch MBP), it makes me wonder if there was some level of corruption \
> > in the upgrade to Office via the Autoupdate tool from MS. Unless both of you have \
> > much more recent hardware by chance...
> > Dennis, have you tried to do an uninstall of Office and a clean re-install?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Colin A. Smith <colin@colinsmith.org \
> > > <mailto:colin@colinsmith.org>> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm seeing the exact same behavior on my version of Word (16.11.1 - 180319). It \
> > > only happened in the last month or two, so I was suspecting it had something to \
> > > do with this recent change:
> > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/ \
> > > <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/> \
> > > <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/ \
> > > <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/office-for-mac-finally-has-real-time-collaboration-in-16-9-0-update/>>
> > >
> > > It seems like that could be pretty a pretty major under the hood change to me. \
> > > I thought it could have something to do retina/non-retina 2X scaling.
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Colin
> > >
> > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 16:49, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwartz@me.com \
> > > > <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com>> wrote:
> > > > Hi Dennis,
> > > >
> > > > Very strange.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you might consider completely removing all Office components and \
> > > > doing a fully clean install?
> > > > If the PDF that I sent exhibited the same behavior as one you create locally, \
> > > > that would tend to suggest that the problem is not your R installation.
> > > > More info here:
> > > >
> > > > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3 \
> > > > <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3> \
> > > > <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3 \
> > > > <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/uninstall-office-2016-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Dennis Fisher <fisher@plessthan.com \
> > > > > <mailto:fisher@plessthan.com>> wrote:
> > > > > Marc
> > > > >
> > > > > Office is fully updated (see version as yours)
> > > > > Original size is 1/2 of the intended size.
> > > > > When the drag the file to TextEdit, the size is as intended!
> > > > > So, the mystery continues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > > Dennis Fisher MD
> > > > > P < (The "P Less Than" Company)
> > > > > Phone / Fax: 1-866-PLessThan (1-866-753-7784)
> > > > > www.PLessThan.com <http://www.plessthan.com/> <http://www.plessthan.com/ \
> > > > > <http://www.plessthan.com/>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwartz@me.com \
> > > > > > <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com> <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com \
> > > > > > <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Dennis,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I reviewed the Preference settings in Word and did not see anything that \
> > > > > > to my eye would be relevant to default embedded object sizes.
> > > > > > You might check to be sure that your Office installation is fully \
> > > > > > updated. There have been several updates of late. My Word is showing \
> > > > > > version 16.11.1 (180319) in the About Word dialog.
> > > > > > Also, right click on the embedded PDF in Word and check "Size and \
> > > > > > Position...". On the "Size" tab, see what the dialog box is showing for \
> > > > > > "Original size" at the bottom, and be sure that "Scale" is set to 100% \
> > > > > > for both height and width.
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Dennis Fisher <fisher@plessthan.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:fisher@plessthan.com> <mailto:fisher@plessthan.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:fisher@plessthan.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > Marc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for trying this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your PDF exhibited the problematic behavior (half-size). It appears \
> > > > > > > that we are using the same version of the OS. We are using the same \
> > > > > > > generation of Word (Office Home & Business 2016 for Mac (Work At Home)) \
> > > > > > > although there are probably several versions of Office floating around. \
> > > > > > > This left the version of R — but I can confirm the same problematic \
> > > > > > > behavior with R 3.4.4.
> > > > > > > Of note, this behavior exists on two different OS X machines but a \
> > > > > > > third computer with OS X 13.2 works correctly. Also, when I use R to \
> > > > > > > create an RTF document that contains JPEG images, the same problem \
> > > > > > > happens.
> > > > > > > I am at a loss — perhaps there is something weird about my version of \
> > > > > > > Office or some preference that is set incorrectly.
> > > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dennis Fisher MD
> > > > > > > P < (The "P Less Than" Company)
> > > > > > > Phone / Fax: 1-866-PLessThan (1-866-753-7784)
> > > > > > > www.PLessThan.com <http://www.plessthan.com/> \
> > > > > > > <http://www.plessthan.com/ <http://www.plessthan.com/>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Marc Schwartz <marc_schwartz@me.com \
> > > > > > > > <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com> <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com \
> > > > > > > > <mailto:marc_schwartz@me.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Dennis Fisher <fisher@plessthan.com \
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:fisher@plessthan.com> <mailto:fisher@plessthan.com \
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:fisher@plessthan.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > R 3.4.3
> > > > > > > > > OS X 13.3
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Colleagues
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have encountered surprising behavior in the following \
> > > > > > > > > circumstance:
> > > > > > > > > 1. I create a one-page PDF in R. The command might be:
> > > > > > > > > pdf("/path/to/file", width=5, height=3.5)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2. When I open the PDF in Preview, the "inspector" confirms the \
> > > > > > > > > intended size.
> > > > > > > > > 3. I embed the PDF into Word for Mac (the newest version). I \
> > > > > > > > > accomplish this in one of several ways, all leading to the same \
> > > > > > > > > outcome: a. I drag the icon into Word
> > > > > > > > > b. I copy the thumbnail and paste into Word
> > > > > > > > > c. I drag the thumbnail into Word
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4. Previously, after the page was embedded, the size matched the \
> > > > > > > > > specifications (5 x 3.5, in this instance). Now, the width is \
> > > > > > > > > one-half of the intended size.
> > > > > > > > > 5. Interestingly, when I drag the thumbnail into Word, the image \
> > > > > > > > > appears twice
> > > > > > > > > I suspect that the problem is in Word, rather than R, but I am \
> > > > > > > > > curious as to whether anyone has encountered this and has a \
> > > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Dennis,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Try it with the attached PDF, created with:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > pdf("test.pdf", width = 5, height = 3.5)
> > > > > > > > plot(1:5)
> > > > > > > > dev.off()
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am using R 3.4.4 on macOS 10.13.3, with Word 2016.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I drag the pdf file from my desktop into Word, or the thumbnail \
> > > > > > > > from Preview, the size of the embedded object is correct and I get \
> > > > > > > > the correct preview image of the plot in Word.
> > > > > > > > If I copy and paste the thumbnail into Word, it has the correct size, \
> > > > > > > > the but preview image in Word appears to be bitmapped, instead of \
> > > > > > > > vector, so the quality of the image in Word is not as good. Similar \
> > > > > > > > to what one might see embedding an EPS file in Word.
> > > > > > > > Also, if I "Insert" object from the Word menu, and select the PDF \
> > > > > > > > file, I get the correct size and the vector based image.
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Marc Schwartz
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <test.pdf>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
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