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Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0
From: "Fox, John" <jfox () mcmaster ! ca>
Date: 2017-07-07 17:16:19
Message-ID: ACD1644AA6C67E4FBD0C350625508EC836696441 () FHSDB4H16-2 ! csu ! mcmaster ! ca
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Dear Simon and Peter,
Thank you very much for taking care of this -- the fonts look much better now.
Best,
John
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John Fox, Professor
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
Canada L8S 4M4
web: socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox
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From: R-SIG-Mac [r-sig-mac-bounces@r-project.org] on behalf of Simon Urbanek \
[simon.urbanek@r-project.org]
Sent: July 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: peter dalgaard
Cc: r-sig-mac@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0
FWIW the issue should be resolved in R 3.4.1 - the default in Tcl/Tk is to build \
without Xft so for R 3.4.1 we have now re-build Tcl/Tk 8.6.6 binary with explicitly \
enabled Xft.
Cheers,
Simon
> On May 16, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Simon Urbanek <simon.urbanek@r-project.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On May 16, 2017, at 12:20 PM, peter dalgaard <pdalgd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mystery solved after looking into the actual .pkg files. They simply contain a \
> > full Tcl/Tk which installs into /usr/local, which obviously affects anything that \
> > links it dynamically. I somehow thought that they would install somewhere \
> > separate. (Stop grinning, Simon!)
>
> I'm not sure I understand the "they" - is it us? The difference in R 3.4.0 is that \
> we are using everything from the system (and XQuartz) whereas before we were \
> building dependencies ourselves before.
>
> > Anyways, the way forward must be to get Tcl/Tk compiled exactly as they were in \
> > 3.3.x.
>
> R before 3.4.0 we used Tcl/Tk 8.6.0 for OS X Mavericks from 2013, for R 3.4.0 we \
> are using Tcl/Tk 8.6.6 for El Capitan.
> FWIW the config flags were
> --disable-corefoundation --disable-framework --disable-aqua --enable-64bit \
> --with-tcl=/usr/local/lib --with-x --x-includes=/opt/X11/include \
> --x-libraries=/opt/X11/lib CC=clang CXX=clang++
> I have no idea what you are talking about here so if anyone has suggestions to \
> test, let me know.
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
>
>
> > -pd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 16 May 2017, at 15:18 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Double-checked: Indeed, installing 3.3-branch-mavericks.pkg enables xft on my \
> > > local builds of R-patched and R-devel. Hmmmm......
> > > -pd
> > >
> > > > On 16 May 2017, at 14:55 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Curiouser and curiouser, now my local build of R-devel stopped using xft \
> > > > _without any recompile_ I swear that it worked before I installed \
> > > > R-3.4.0.pkg....
> > > > I have both /opt/local/ and /usr/local variants of Tcl/Tk 8.6 and only the \
> > > > former has wish8.6 understanding the tk::pkgconfig stuff, so there is plenty \
> > > > of room for confusion. The latter seems to be from Simon's site; the other \
> > > > one could be a MacPorts relic...
> > > > -pd
> > > >
> > > > > On 16 May 2017, at 13:28 , peter dalgaard <pdalgd@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a build issue relating to Tcl/Tk, not specifically Rcmdr (Rcmdr does \
> > > > > something slightly weird[*] with the fonts too, but this seems to be \
> > > > > orthogonal to the ugly-font issue).
> > > > > To see the issue quickly, try
> > > > >
> > > > > library(tcltk)
> > > > > .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem")
> > > > >
> > > > > With CRAN 3.3.3, I get
> > > > >
> > > > > <Tcl> xft
> > > > >
> > > > > and likewise with a local nightly build of R-devel, but CRAN 3.4.0 says
> > > > >
> > > > > > .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem")
> > > > > Error in .Tcl("::tk::pkgconfig get fontsystem") :
> > > > > could not find function ".Tcl"
> > > > >
> > > > > as does a local build of R-patched (???!!!).
> > > > >
> > > > > This is pretty weird. I'll see if I can dig up some more about where the \
> > > > > difference is.
> > > > > -pd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [*] Try library(tcltk); demo(tkfaq) then library(Rcmdr) and watch the font \
> > > > > change in the tkfaq window.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 15 May 2017, at 23:17 , Fox, John <jfox@mcmaster.ca> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Jose,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a bit difficult to respond to your latest messages because you sent \
> > > > > > so many of them.
> > > > > > I'm not entirely sure what's producing your font problems -- perhaps \
> > > > > > Simon will have some additional ideas -- but you should be aware that you \
> > > > > > can't load the Rcmdr package -- or, more generally, the tcltk package -- \
> > > > > > without XQuartz (or another X11 system). Normally, XQuartz should start \
> > > > > > automatically when the Rcmdr (or tcltk) package is loaded. That is, you \
> > > > > > should not have to start it separately.
> > > > > > It may help to know that the Rcmdr package selects its default dialog \
> > > > > > font by querying the default Tk font, via the command
> > > > > > tclvalue(.Tcl("font actual TkDefaultFont -family"))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and sets the font for commands and output by querying the default Tk \
> > > > > > fixed-width font:
> > > > > > tclvalue(.Tcl("font actual TkFixedFont -family"))
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On my Macs, these are respectively the helvetica and courier fonts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In any event, I'm glad that you seem to have solved your problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Jose G Conde Santiago [mailto:jose.conde1@upr.edu]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:18 PM
> > > > > > > To: Simon Urbanek <simon.urbanek@r-project.org>; Fox, John
> > > > > > > <jfox@mcmaster.ca>; r-sig-mac@r-project.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R commander fonts on R 3.4.0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I run R without XQuartz, the text from the help screen renders
> > > > > > > well. I think the problem seems to be related to XQuartz.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > José
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > José G. Conde, MD, MPH
> > > > > > > Professor, School of Medicine
> > > > > > > Director, CentIT2
> > > > > > > UPR Medical Sciences Campus
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tel (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Email: jose.conde1@upr.edu
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On May 15, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
> > > > > > > <jose.conde1@upr.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > … and the same I get the same issue with R “help” screens in my iMac.
> > > > > > > I cannot reproduce this in the macBook.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > José
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <R help .png>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > José G. Conde, MD, MPH
> > > > > > > > Catedrático, Escuela de Medicina
> > > > > > > > Director, CentIT2
> > > > > > > > Recinto de Ciencias Médicas, UPR
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tel (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Correo electrónico: jose.conde1@upr.edu
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
> > > > > > > <jose.conde1@upr.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is the actual resolutions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > José
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <Fonts 20 points.png>
> > > > > > > > > José G. Conde, MD, MPH
> > > > > > > > > Professor, School of Medicine
> > > > > > > > > Director, CentIT2
> > > > > > > > > UPR Medical Sciences Campus
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tel (787) 763-9401 Fax (787) 758-5206
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Email: jose.conde1@upr.edu
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > URL: http://rcmi.rcm.upr.edu
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Jose G Conde Santiago
> > > > > > > <jose.conde1@upr.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <Fonts 20 points.png>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > Peter Dalgaard, Professor,
> > > > > Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School
> > > > > Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
> > > > > Phone: (+45)38153501
> > > > > Office: A 4.23
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> > > > Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark
> > > > Phone: (+45)38153501
> > > > Office: A 4.23
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> > > Email: pd.mes@cbs.dk Priv: PDalgd@gmail.com
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> > Peter Dalgaard, Professor,
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> > Email: pd.mes@cbs.dk Priv: PDalgd@gmail.com
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