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List:       qubes-devel
Subject:    Re: Re: [qubes-devel] Installing and using Gnome in dom0 as window manager
From:       Joanna Rutkowska <joanna () invisiblethingslab ! com>
Date:       2015-07-28 10:53:19
Message-ID: 20150728105319.GC3995 () work-mutt
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:15:22AM -0000, Brennan Novak wrote:
> Thanks @marmarek for the links, i'll review them. I'm sure it
> will take me awhile before I can actually start contributing by
> writing the window decorations and such. Simply going to Fedora's
> docs are a bit confusing (to a newbie like me) as Fedora seems to
> ship with Gnome 3 by default. As per just getting Gnome 3 running
> on my Qubes machine, I believe Joanna said there are a few
> specific packages that I needed to install and that you knew what
> those were.
> 
> > I don't want to enter in to the KDE/Gnome war
> 
> I really do not to get into this sort of dialogue either as it's
> time consuming and not productive. I appreciate all your opinions
> and where you are coming from. My goal is help make secure free
> software like Mailpile (PGP email) and Qubes OS as easy to use
> for the largest amount of non-technical users as possible. That
> being the goal, Gnome seems like a much better base to work from
> than KDE.
> 
> Sadly, this goal seems to be at odds with allowing highly
> configurable idiosyncratic desktop environments for all user
> types. All I can say is, sorry. Technical users will always be
> free to install and / or enable other desktop environments and
> configure them how they see fit.
> 
> > I don't know if GNOME is significantly better performing than KDE.
> 
> This came from comments made by Joanna which seemed based on her
> knowledge of the codebases of both environments. I am defaulting
> to her expertise on this as I am not qualified to judge it.
> 
> That said, I have experienced numerous cases where KDE on my
> Qubes 3 rc1 instance are downright glitchy- menus render as blank
> white palates and artifacts are left on the screen upon
> restarting.
> 
> After testing Gnome + Qubes, I can better judge its UX
> performance along these lines in real world use.
> 
> > Another thing to consider about GNOME (besides other users comments above) is \
> > that it lacks a start menu by default. 
> 
> Yes, we would be looking at enabling this be default as it is
> really helpful for Qubes architecture / UX to have a start menu.
> 
> 

Amen to that.

To all those who think GNOME 3 has no "Start menu": install gnome-tweak-tool,
then enable Application Menu from there.

j.
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