From quanta-devel Thu Apr 05 08:41:59 2007 From: Andras Mantia Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:41:59 +0000 To: quanta-devel Subject: [quanta-devel] KDevelop meeting: Transylvania Message-Id: <200704051142.00459.amantia () kde ! org> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=quanta-devel&m=117576235131712 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============0733140843==" --===============0733140843== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1277081.7BSb7JxdXA"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1277081.7BSb7JxdXA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, as I wrote here is my proposal.=20 The location would be my birth town, called Sfintu Gheorghe (in=20 Romanian), or Sepsiszentgy=C3=B6rgy (In Hungarian), or Saint Georghe. ;) Here is a link:=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepsiszentgyorgy . The meeting itself could take place in the building of Covasna County=20 Library (http://www.cosys.ro/haromszek/biblio/engl/about.htm). I=20 maintain their computers and network, and I'm pretty sure they will=20 rent it for free or for a nominal price. Two rooms could be used, one=20 is a larger auditorium, the other is a normal room, probably the second=20 is enough for hacking. The internet connection is a 1Mbps guaranteed optical line, but with=20 fair use policy (after some GB of traffic the speed drops down to=20 half). As I know the ISP, it might be possible to remove any such=20 limitation for the period of conference. It must be noted that the line=20 is used also by visitors and the employees, but from my experience it=20 still works quite well. Its a 100Mbps network in the building, at this moment wireless is not=20 available. Renting computers (in case of there is no laptop for everyone) is=20 probably little bit harder, but I probably can get some PCs (from the=20 library) to be used, even if they are not quite fast (Celeron, Pentium=20 IV or Athlon XPs). Some computers already run Linux and might be set up=20 for a build farm. Accommodation: this could be done either in the city or near it in the=20 village I currently live. Some prices: =2D 3 stars hotel in the center of the city: ~50 euro/night in a double=20 room, breakfast included (http://www.sugaskert.ro/) =2D pension in the city: 21,5 euro/person in single room, 26 euro/2=20 persons double room, 32 euro/3 persons in room with 3 beds. Breakfast=20 included. http://www.romanianaccommodation.ro/Sfantugheorghe3.html =2D pension in the village: 9,5 euro/person with breakfast, 14euro/person=20 with half board (breakfast and dinner).=20 http://www.romanianaccommodation.ro/Arcus2.html (there are two=20 pensions). Transportation from the village to the city can be done by=20 bus (~1euro/person), cab (~3 euro/route), foot (5 km) or with me (free=20 for 4 persons ;) ). =46ood:=20 =2D at the accommodation place (see price where it is included) =2D at restaurants (5-10 euro is more than enough for a big meal) =2D fast foods (from 1-2 euro) =2D by just buying something (1kg bread=3D0,5 euro, 1l milk=3D0,75 euro,=20 vegetables are very cheap during the autumn) Altough most people eat meat here and all traditional meals contain=20 meat, it is not uncommon to see vegetarian dishes at restaurants or=20 fast foods, but probably they are not so varied like in other countries=20 (salats, cheese, egg or fish is commonly offered as vegetarian=20 food...). Transportation: This is the most problematic point. There are no airports near, the=20 closest ones are from Bucharest (Otopeni or Baneasa, both ~200km) and=20 Targu Mures (~170 km), but the latter has flight only from Budapest if=20 I'm not mistaken. Both can be reached with some low cost airliners as=20 well (for example WizzAir flies to both places), but they just entered=20 the Romanian market, so they are not too many. Their number is rapidly=20 increasing though. Due to the distance, pickup from the airport could be organized well=20 only if most/all persons arrive around the same time, or at least on=20 the same day. This also depends on the number of persons, as if there=20 are more than 4, a small bus would probably be rented. An alternative=20 is to fly to Bucharest and from there come by train, but this depends=20 on how well one can find his place around in a foreign country. It is easier to reach the place by train through the Brasov (Kronstadt=20 in German) city, one of the largest cities in the country which is 30=20 km from here, so a pickup from the train station can be easily=20 organized. Travelers from Germany would probably need to change trains=20 in Vienna or Budapest though. As I see Jens Herden last year payed less=20 than 100 euro for the train ticket (both ways) from Frankfurt to Brasov=20 with a change in Budapest. Traveling by train can take some time though and even if you travel in a=20 sleeping car you will be awaken at the border in the middle of the=20 night for passport control. There are also buses from different part of the continent coming here,=20 but as I never traveled with them, I don't know much about it.=20 www.eurolines.ro is one company, Berlin-Brasov both ways is 195 euro. By car: there are motorways until close to the Romanian border (on the=20 Hungarian side), but from there on the road has usually only one lane=20 per direction and it could take 5-7 hours to drive from the border to=20 this city. Probably driving from Germany cannot be done without=20 spending a night somewhere for resting, except if there are more=20 drivers in the car. Also the local driving style well, might stress=20 some drivers. Safety: the city and the village is very safe, the area is one of the=20 safest places in the country. Of course incidents can happen, like=20 anywhere. Care must be taken on the trains and in bigger cities,=20 especially because of pocket thieves (and bad taxi drivers...). Language: Romanian is the official one in the country (a latin based=20 language), while in this area Hungarian is the one spoken by most of=20 the persons. Probably nobody knows either of these. ;) German was also=20 widespread in some parts, but unfortunately most of the German speaking=20 persons left the country in the past decades (but from town and village=20 names you can still see which one was German). Elder people probably=20 don't speak foreign languages (maybe except some French), while younger=20 one usually do speak some kind of English (and maybe Italian/Spanish in=20 case of those whose native language is Romanian). Inscriptions are=20 usually only in Romanian (and Hungarian where there is significant=20 Hungarian majority), there are only a few English or German texts that=20 you can see. Currency: the official currency is the (new) Romanian Lei (1 euro ~=3D 3.4= =20 RON). Credit cards are accepted in more and more places. They usually=20 ask to type the PIN code as well on purchase, and there is no problem=20 if you just by goods for 1-2 euro and pay by card. There are also=20 plenty of cash machines around. Exchanging money is no problem, banks=20 (and most, but not all) of exchange houses will do the exchange without=20 taking any commission. There are also a few automatic exchange=20 machines . Euro is mostly not excepted, maybe the exception aresome=20 touristic places (pension and restaurants), but the recommended way is=20 to pay in the local currency. Visas: as Romania is a member of the European Union, for many persons=20 there is no need for a visa, not even for a passport if you are from=20 the EU. AFAIK Ukrainian citizens need a visa though. :( There was some=20 agreement between the two countries to make traveling easier starting=20 from the summer, but I don't know the details. Other programs: Aside of hacking, it is possible to organize other "recreating"=20 programs, like visiting castles=20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bran_Castle), hiking mountains (max.=20 altitude is 2505m in the nearby ones -=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucegi ), interesting mineral springs, or=20 just cities (eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sighisoara) and=20 villages/the nature (sulphurate cave, volcanic lake).=20 Again, depending on the number of participants, this needs more=20 organization (bus renting) or just a simple get in the car and go=20 there. :) Timeframe: =46rom my point of view this could be done anytime when I'm home, which is= =20 probably all summer except the aKademy period and 2 weeks during=20 August. Unfortunately I don't know yet which two weeks I won't be at=20 home. It can be done earlier as well (like in May), but I assume that=20 is too close for most people. My suggestion would be end of=20 August/beginning of September, mostly because the wether. Even if this=20 year we practically didn't have winter, you never know, and in October=20 it could already snow, especially in higher areas. Well, this is what comes to my mind. :) Andras =2D-=20 Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org --nextPart1277081.7BSb7JxdXA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGFLZYTQdfac6L/08RAnPeAKDbdEzvFZWqnAHpc91RJow+fX3elACgt/nC 9AxNpqBSqda9L0xeA3K2CLk= =ipUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1277081.7BSb7JxdXA-- --===============0733140843== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ quanta-devel mailing list quanta-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/quanta-devel --===============0733140843==--