This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020500020101060904000207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 12/31/2011 04:00 AM, quanta-request@postbox.kde.org wrote: On 01/01/2012 04:00 AM, quanta-request@postbox.kde.org wrote: > Send Quanta mailing list submissions to > quanta@mail.kde.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/quanta > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > quanta-request@mail.kde.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > quanta-owner@mail.kde.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Quanta digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Future of Quanta (Dr. Robert Marmorstein) > 2. Re: KDevelop vs Aptana3 (Brandon Sussman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:17:06 -0500 (EST) > From: "Dr. Robert Marmorstein" > To: Quanta users list > Subject: [Quanta] Future of Quanta > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > Given the thread about alternatives to Quanta, I wanted to talk to open up > a discussion about moving Quanta forward. I'm afraid that this may not be a realistic endeavor to undertake. See below... > > As I understand it, Quanta is essentially being maintained now by Milian > Wolff who is involved in many other KDE projects and is a pretty busy guy. > That means that the project is badly in need of developers to help him out > and get things back on track. Even if you have no programming experience, > there are many ways you can contribute (creating templates, testing, > writing documentation, submitting bug reports), but the project definitely > needs more people who can update the C++ code. > > The decision to switch Quanta 4 to a think skin on top of kdevplatform had > some interesting consequences for the GUI layout. It's essentially now an > entirely different program from Quanta3. I've tried to submit some > patches that make it more usable for my HTML design workflow, but I've had > difficulty understanding the differences between a "file template" and a > "project template" in the new Quanta. > > I also looked into porting Quanta 3 directly to Qt4 and KDE4 (under a new > name), but it relies heavily on several GUI classes that were removed from > Qt4 and have no direct equivalents. I will continue this effort, simply > because I think it's worthwhile just to have an alternative stream of > development, but I'd also like to help push the ball down the road further > on the new Quanta. > > I have very limited time (I have a day job and also contribute to KOffice > and a few other tools), ... and that's why. Successfully carrying a project like Q+ requires a community of developers: A cohesive group that has well defined goals for the project and are dedicated to its success. One developer, or two, with a day job will find it impossible to race against a well formed community to complete features and reach milestones. I'm a web designer, not a programmer. I have to dedicate my time to creating websites for clients, and therefore I'm afraid that there isn't much of value that I can contribute to Q+. I think the only other person, besides yourself, keeping Q+ alive is Milian Wolf. And his primary interest is advancing Kdevelop (I may be wrong here.) > but I'd like to ask the current Quanta developers > to take a few minutes and post a list of tasks where they could most use > help. I figure there are probably enough on this list with SOME > programming experience (even if only in PHP) that we can help get > development kickstarted again. No question that we all loved Q+, but in the mundane necessities of everyday work, most of us need a solution that evolves with modern requirements. While I may continue to fire up Q+ for old projects, Aptana will have to be the IDE of choice for everything else. I applaud your efforts to keep Q+ alive. Perhaps a better route would be for you to contribute your talents to the Kdevelop community and make Kdevelop a Q+ replacement, with HTML5 and CSS3 support. Regards. > > Thanks! > > Robert > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:47:43 -0600 > From: Brandon Sussman > To: > Subject: Re: [Quanta] KDevelop vs Aptana3 > Message-ID:<38f9219becbd57416239afee59b601f8@wrweb.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 31.12.2011 11:24, Alan C Whiteman wrote: > >> Because Aptana tries to be a universal IDE for programming code, >> scripting, and mark up, it has a somewhat more complex interface than >> QP. So there's some learning to do, some adjustments, and some >> annoyances (for instance, Aptana will not save your file when >> uploading; you need to save, then upload.) > It warns/saves 'em for me... Proves your next point :) > > But once you get it >> configured to your own working habits, it is quite good. The >> application has an astonishing flexibility to be configured in just >> about any way. >> >> In addition, documentation and community support for Aptana is very >> extensive. > I miss Q+ but am grudgingly getting used to Aptana. Since I am using a > build discipline now for at least some work (html5boilerplate), the > timing, switching to Aptana seems right. --------------020500020101060904000207 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="acwhiteman.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="acwhiteman.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOkFsYW4gV2hpdGVtYW4NCm46V2hpdGVtYW47QWxhbg0Kb3JnOlZp c3VhbGlzIFdlYiBEZXNpZ24NCmFkcjtkb206Ozs2Mjg1IEUuIFNwcmluZyBTdC4sICM0Njc7 TG9uZyBCZWFjaDtDQTs5MDgwOA0KZW1haWw7aW50ZXJuZXQ6YWN3aGl0ZW1hbkB2aXN1YWxp cy51cw0KdGl0bGU6T3duZXIvT3BlcmF0b3INCnRlbDt3b3JrOig1NjIpIDMwNS0yODYyDQp4 LW1vemlsbGEtaHRtbDpUUlVFDQp1cmw6aHR0cDovL3Zpc3VhbGlzd2ViZGVzaWduLmNvbQ0K dmVyc2lvbjoyLjENCmVuZDp2Y2FyZA0KDQo= --------------020500020101060904000207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Quanta mailing list Quanta@mail.kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/quanta --------------020500020101060904000207--