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Subject: Re: [Quanta] KDevelop vs Aptana3
From: Kees Epema <cwepema () gmail ! com>
Date: 2011-12-31 17:56:42
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2011/12/31 Alan C Whiteman <acwhiteman@visualis.us>
> On 12/31/2011 04:00 AM, quanta-request@postbox.kde.org wrote:
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:20:43 +0100
>> From: Niko Sams<niko.sams@gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Quanta] Time to Move On
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>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 19:21, Alan C Whiteman<acwhiteman@visualis.**us<acwhiteman@visualis.us>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is most unfortunate that Quanta Plus is not being actively developed
>>> and
>>> has been more or less abandoned by the community. It has come to having
>>> to
>>> rely on KDE3 reincarnations, much prodding and tweaking, and the
>>> generosity
>>> of one dedicated maintainer (for whom much appreciation is given.)
>>>
>>> I happily used Quanta Plus for several years until it was time to dive
>>> into
>>> HTML5 and CSS3. Again, I found the hassle of trying to tweak QP, for
>>> instance, to recognize the DTD and new tags, not worth the trouble.
>>>
>>> As hard as it was to move away from QP, I am now using Aptana 3 as my
>>> IDE of
>>> choice for my web design needs. So far, it has proven to be an excellent
>>> replacement with a myriad of features to make life easier. And it also
>>> runs
>>> on Linux, which is a necessity.
>>>
>>> Depending on your needs you can consider KDevelop as a replacement for
>> Quanta.
>> Especially if you do Php development.
>> KDevelop4 uses the php plugin Quanta4 would use and it's much more
>> advanced than
>> the Quanta3 php support ever was.
>>
>> And there also is Alpha Quality CSS Language support (it actually
>> works and gives code
>> completion) and Alpha HTML/XML Language support (very powerful and
>> complex, with
>> rough edges and crashes)
>>
>> Niko
>>
>>
>>
>>
> While KDevelop is an off-shoot of Quanta Plus, it is being developed
> primarily for PHP. HTML5 and CSS3 are, as you point out, in an alpha state.
> Aptana is handling these specs very nicely, plus it can handle PHP as well.
>
> Because Aptana tries to be a universal IDE for programming code,
> scripting, and mark up, it has a somewhat more complex interface than QP.
> So there's some learning to do, some adjustments, and some annoyances (for
> instance, Aptana will not save your file when uploading; you need to save,
> then upload.) But once you get it configured to your own working habits, it
> is quite good. The application has an astonishing flexibility to be
> configured in just about any way.
>
> In addition, documentation and community support for Aptana is very
> extensive.
>
> Thanks all,
>
Reading all your suggesions, I found it was time to move on. I expect 2012
becoming html5 year (I think full browser support for all significant
browsers will be implemented in the new year).
I switched last weekend to Netbeans 7.0.x for php.
For most common Php programming practices this editor is very good. The
learning curve is low, within half an hour all options like creating
projects, debugging, uploading versioning and so on can be understood.
I think Aptana or Netbeans are good to compensate the 'loss' of Quanta..
Regards, Kees
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/31 Alan C Whiteman <span dir="ltr"><<a \
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 12/31/2011 04:00 AM, <a \
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Today's Topics:<br>
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2. Re: Time to Move On (Niko Sams)<br>
3. Re: Installing Quanta (Bruno Baumg?rtner)<br>
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Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:20:43 +0100<br>
From: Niko Sams<<a href="mailto:niko.sams@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">niko.sams@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Quanta users list<<a href="mailto:quanta@mail.kde.org" \
target="_blank">quanta@mail.kde.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Quanta] Time to Move On<br>
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On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 19:21, Alan C Whiteman<<a \
href="mailto:acwhiteman@visualis.us" \
target="_blank">acwhiteman@visualis.<u></u>us</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> It is most unfortunate that Quanta Plus is not being \
actively developed and<br> has been more or less abandoned by the community. It has \
come to having to<br> rely on KDE3 reincarnations, much prodding and tweaking, and \
the generosity<br> of one dedicated maintainer (for whom much appreciation is \
given.)<br> <br>
I happily used Quanta Plus for several years until it was time to dive into<br>
HTML5 and CSS3. Again, I found the hassle of trying to tweak QP, for<br>
instance, to recognize the DTD and new tags, not worth the trouble.<br>
<br>
As hard as it was to move away from QP, I am now using Aptana 3 as my IDE of<br>
choice for my web design needs. So far, it has proven to be an excellent<br>
replacement with a myriad of features to make life easier. And it also runs<br>
on Linux, which is a necessity.<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Depending on your needs you can consider KDevelop as a replacement for Quanta.<br>
Especially if you do Php development.<br>
KDevelop4 uses the php plugin Quanta4 would use and it's much more advanced \
than<br> the Quanta3 php support ever was.<br>
<br>
And there also is Alpha Quality CSS Language support (it actually<br>
works and gives code<br>
completion) and Alpha HTML/XML Language support (very powerful and complex, with<br>
rough edges and crashes)<br>
<br>
Niko<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
While KDevelop is an off-shoot of Quanta Plus, it is being developed primarily for \
PHP. HTML5 and CSS3 are, as you point out, in an alpha state. Aptana is handling \
these specs very nicely, plus it can handle PHP as well.<br>
<br>
Because Aptana tries to be a universal IDE for programming code, scripting, and mark \
up, it has a somewhat more complex interface than QP. So there's some learning to \
do, some adjustments, and some annoyances (for instance, Aptana will not save your \
file when uploading; you need to save, then upload.) But once you get it configured \
to your own working habits, it is quite good. The application has an astonishing \
flexibility to be configured in just about any way.<br>
<br>
In addition, documentation and community support for Aptana is very extensive.<br>
<br>
Thanks all,<br></blockquote><div><br>Reading all your suggesions, I found it was time \
to move on. I expect 2012 becoming html5 year (I think full browser support for all \
significant browsers will be implemented in the new year).<br> I switched last \
weekend to Netbeans 7.0.x for php.<br>For most common Php programming practices this \
editor is very good. The learning curve is low, within half an hour all options like \
creating projects, debugging, uploading versioning and so on can be understood.<br> I \
think Aptana or Netbeans are good to compensate the 'loss' of \
Quanta..<br><br>Regards, Kees<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> \
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