From quanta Fri Jun 10 19:58:56 2011 From: Matthew Millar Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:58:56 +0000 To: quanta Subject: [Quanta] Re: Any progress on Quanta for KDE 4? Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=quanta&m=130773599416492 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============0956063502==" --===============0956063502== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e645ab02f85e3804a560ff2e --0016e645ab02f85e3804a560ff2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 +1 Btw, if anyone wants quanta to run on KDE 4, gentoo devs seem to have cracked it. They do compile everything from source, and i'm not sure whether you need to compile QT4 with QT3 support... i think you probably do. But here's a guide which is really useful for gentoo users: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Quanta_plus_under_KDE_4 for none gentoo users, note that layman, can be considered as a way to add additional repositories to their package manager, so similar to having a command line application for adding repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list (so KDE 3.5.10 packages are in an archived repository called kde-sunset). Once i've worked out a last few bugs for Quanta on Gentoo (atm, its just sftp support, which i'm hoping comes down to the version of openssl that's currently installed is too up-to-date; and quanta doesn't generate a shortcut into the KDE 4 menu), i'll try and write a guide on how to install it from source onto a debian machine. Note, my current installation doesn't include all the add-ons, like cvs, etc. but they are mentioned in the document linked above, i've just not got round to installing them, so i'm hoping i can achieve a fully loaded/working quanta on KDE4 on gentoo, but we'll have to see; the document author certainly says its do-able. I don't think it'll be as straight forward as just finding all the quanta and kde dependancies sources and compiling them, because i think QT3 support will need to be compiled into QT4.. also gentoo kde-sunset sources install applications into /usr/kde/3.5, instead of installing them into their original locations, to avoid conflicts with current KDE software, so these tweaks, and probably loads i haven't noticed, will also need to be considered and documented. For anyone who wants to try gentoo, best to start here with the handbook: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/ and then carry onto here for KDE 4 http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml The guide is very helpful and userfriendly, but its worth noting that you will be in the terminal for the first couple of days, so i'd recommend setting up a side-by-side installation, otherwise you'll be without a computer until you get to the stage of installing KDE. Ubuntu users: i'd recommend trying gentoo out on an old computer (it'll run on old hardware really well, i'm using P4 2.8Ghz 1GB RAM), or a new hard-drive, at the very least make sure you have researched fdisk before hand and understand basic hard drive partitioning, because the handbook assumes you want to install gentoo onto a computer as the only operating system. Alternatively you can ask me for help, or even better, ask for help from the gentoo channel, mentioned at the end of this email. Note, it is several days work, more likely a week to get gentoo running, because everything is compiled from source, so you have the time it takes to work through the guide and learn about gentoo, but also the time it takes to actually compile the software. For while you're compiling (emerging) KDE4 and KDE3/Quanta, it'd be worth considering setting the kdeenablefinal useflag, this thread ( http://nixforums.org/about27008.html) indicates that there are large compilation time savings, however, if during future upgrades/compilations of KDE you notice heavy resource usage, as indicated in the same thread, it'd be worth unsetting the kdeenablefinal. useflags are a gentoo/portage specfic feature, and are covered in the handbook above, and in more depth here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1 I hope this is of interest/help to people :) Feel free to ask me any questions, though i'm no expert, or ask for help at the gentoo channel on freenode, here http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=gentoo&uio=MT11bmRlZmluZWQb1 Thanks, Matthew Millar On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:32 PM, marbux wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Billie Walsh > wrote: > > From my point of view if Quanta4 could just have all the functionality > > of Quanta3 I would be a VERY happy camper. > > +1 > > Best regards, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Quanta mailing list > Quanta@mail.kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/quanta > --0016e645ab02f85e3804a560ff2e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1

Btw, if anyone wants quanta to run on KDE 4, gentoo d= evs seem to have cracked it.

They do compile every= thing from source, and i'm not sure whether you need to compile QT4 wit= h QT3 support... i think you probably do.

But here's a guide which is really useful for gento= o users:

http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Quanta_plus_under_= KDE_4

for none gentoo users, note that layman, can be conside= red as a way to add additional repositories to their package manager, so si= milar to having a command line application for adding repositories to /etc/= apt/sources.list (so KDE 3.5.10 packages are in an archived repository call= ed kde-sunset).

Once i've worked out a last few bugs for Quanta on = Gentoo (atm, its just sftp support, which i'm hoping comes down to the = version of openssl that's currently installed is too up-to-date; and qu= anta doesn't generate a shortcut into the KDE 4 menu), i'll try and= write a guide on how to install it from source onto a debian machine.

Note, my current installation doesn't include all t= he add-ons, like cvs, etc. but they are mentioned in the document linked ab= ove, i've just not got round to installing them, so i'm hoping i ca= n achieve a fully loaded/working quanta on KDE4 on gentoo, but we'll ha= ve to see; the document author certainly says its do-able.

I don't think it'll be as straight forward as j= ust finding all the quanta and kde dependancies sources and compiling them,= because i think QT3 support will need to be compiled into QT4.. also gento= o kde-sunset sources install applications into /usr/kde/3.5, instead of ins= talling them into their original locations, to avoid conflicts with current= KDE software, so these tweaks, and probably loads i haven't noticed, w= ill also need to be considered and documented.

For anyone who wants to try gentoo, best to start here = with the handbook:=A0htt= p://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/
and then carry onto here = for KDE 4

<= /div>
The guide is very helpful and userfriendly, but its worth noting = that you will be in the terminal for the first couple of days, so i'd r= ecommend setting up a side-by-side installation, otherwise you'll be wi= thout a computer until you get to the stage of installing KDE.

Ubuntu users:
i'd recommend trying gentoo= out on an old computer (it'll run on old hardware really well, i'm= using P4 2.8Ghz 1GB RAM), or a new hard-drive, at the very least make sure= you have researched fdisk before hand and understand basic hard drive part= itioning, because the handbook assumes you want to install gentoo onto a co= mputer as the only operating system. Alternatively you can ask me for help,= or even better, ask for help from the gentoo channel, mentioned at the end= of this email.

Note, it is several days work, more likely a week to ge= t gentoo running, because everything is compiled from source, so you have t= he time it takes to work through the guide and learn about gentoo, but also= the time it takes to actually compile the software.

For while you're compiling (emerging) KDE4 and KDE3= /Quanta, it'd be worth considering setting the kdeenablefinal useflag, = this thread (http://nixfor= ums.org/about27008.html) indicates that there are large compilation tim= e savings, however, if during future upgrades/compilations of KDE you notic= e heavy resource usage, as indicated in the same thread, it'd be worth = unsetting the kdeenablefinal. useflags are a gentoo/portage specfic feature= , and are covered in the handbook above, and in more depth here:=A0http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3D2&= chap=3D1

I hope this is of interest/help to people :)
=
Feel free to ask me any questions, though i'm no expert,= or ask for help at the gentoo channel on freenode, here=A0http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=3Dgentoo= &uio=3DMT11bmRlZmluZWQb1


Thanks,

Ma= tthew Millar

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:32= PM, marbux <marbu= x@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1= 0:05 AM, Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@s= wbell.net> wrote:
> =A0From my point of view if Quanta4 could just have all the functional= ity
> of Quanta3 I would be a VERY happy camper.

+1

Best regards,

Paul
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Quanta mailing list
Quanta@mail.kde.org
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