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From: Randal Hale <rjhale () northrivergeographic ! com>
Date: 2015-12-31 15:02:13
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So I started playing with this even more and didn't realize some image
services were hidden (thanks Bernd)....and I just made a map with a
Google Satellite background and it's not shifted.
My only other contribution to the discussion would be to clear up why
those services are hidden as you wouldn't want to replace one well known
plugin with something that could cause people headaches. I'm completely
lost on that side of life. I've never completely understood how
openLayers could access Google imagery since everything seems to require
some developer 'magic'. I always limited my use of it because I didn't
understand legally why it worked.
I think Basemaps would be a good alternate name for this - since that's
the entire plugin's 'reason for being' - providing basemaps.
Anyway,
Randy
p.s. Thank you developers for a great year with QGIS.
On 12/31/2015 05:53 AM, Bernd Vogelgesang wrote:
> +1 for deprecating.
> I think the "popularity" of OpenLayers only derives from the fact that
> it was the only plugin available serving basemaps for a long time and
> that it is mentioned all around the web in tutorials etc.
> Most of my collegues with less experience frequently step into the
> traps and digitize stuff only to find later that the result is shifted
> or the map is not printable.
>
> I skipped it already a long time ago and tried to compensate it by
> finding other sources like WMS etc which is not so easy over here in
> Germany (especially since the built-in WMS Server Search results are
> completely outdated for a long time).
>
> Since the QuickMapServices plugin is there, I always recommend that.
> If this plugin would become the "successor" of OpenLayers, it would be
> nice to know why those most popular sources like Bing etc are "hidden"
> in the contributed services. Legal issues?
>
> I already proposed to the developers to rename their plugin to
> "Basemaps", cause thats what it is actually about and which is a lot
> easier to understand and memorize.
>
> Cheers
> Bernd
>
>
> Am 31.12.2015, 07:17 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini <cavallini@faunalia.it>:
>
> Deprecating it makes sense to me, unless authors plan to fix the
> long standing issues.
> Thanks for raising this.
> All the best.
>
> Il 31 dicembre 2015 06:47:08 CET, h <hdixon@bigpond.net.au> ha
> scritto:
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:42:27 -0500
> Randal Hale <rjhale@northrivergeographic.com> wrote:
>
> As a non-developer if I can chip in my .02 cents worth - I
> think deprecating it might be a good thing. To me it was
> always a plugin that received a lot of applause - but the
> one that would cause the most questions ("why can't I use
> this imagery in map composer"). While I liked having
> access to google/bing imagery - it always made me more
> uncomfortable having it there because of the terms of
> service. I didn't know that QuickMapServices was a plugin
> - and after looking at it I think most people will have a
> problem because there is no google/bing imagery in that
> one. In the US I have enough choices for imagery - and
> that might not be the case everywhere else. I'm unsure how
> up to date MapQuest Aerial is - but better than nothing.
>
>
> I got caught on that one.
> In QuickMapServices>Settings there is a "Contributed Services" tile.
> Select "Get Contributed Services" and a whole lot of stuff, including
> Bing and Google are provided.
>
> To me QMS makes "Open layers" obsolete - but it needs a bit more
> documentation on how to get Bing etc!!!
>
> On principle I am against retirement, but am not aware of a strong
> argument against it for Open Layers. (Something I have used and valued
> for quite some time..)
> H
>
>
> Possibly add a pop-up/warning on the open layers plugin
> since it is popular - "We are in the process of
> deprecating this plugin". Other than that - +1 for
> retirement. Randy On 12/30/2015 09:42 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
>
> On 31 December 2015 at 13:29, Joshua Quesenberry
> <engnfrc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If the plugin is deprecated, what is replacing it?
> I find the plugin to be very useful.
>
> QuickMapServices. It's got numerous improvements over
> OpenLayers, including reprojection support and not
> breaking the map composer. Nyall
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Qgis-developer
> [mailto:qgis-developer-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom Chadwin Sent: Wednesday, December
> 30, 2015 5:46 PM To:
> qgis-developer@lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re:
> [Qgis-developer] Future of OpenLayers plugin -
> time to deprecate? I think deprecation and removal
> would be good, but for a tangential reason: the
> name conflicts with OpenLayers the web mapping
> library. A trivial reason at best, but probably
> irritating to many, and potentially confusing to
> users. -- View this message in context:
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So I started playing with this even more and didn't realize some
image services were hidden (thanks Bernd)....and I just made a map
with a Google Satellite background and it's not shifted. <br>
<br>
My only other contribution to the discussion would be to clear up
why those services are hidden as you wouldn't want to replace one
well known plugin with something that could cause people headaches.
I'm completely lost on that side of life. I've never completely
understood how openLayers could access Google imagery since
everything seems to require some developer 'magic'. I always limited
my use of it because I didn't understand legally why it worked. <br>
<br>
I think Basemaps would be a good alternate name for this - since
that's the entire plugin's 'reason for being' - providing basemaps.
<br>
<br>
Anyway, <br>
<br>
Randy<br>
<br>
p.s. Thank you developers for a great year with QGIS. <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/31/2015 05:53 AM, Bernd
Vogelgesang wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:op.yah8jxehl2i25i@bernd-terra-pc" type="cite">
<style type="text/css">body { font-family:'DejaVu Sans Mono'; \
font-size:12px}</style> <div>+1 for deprecating.</div>
<div>I think the "popularity" of OpenLayers only derives from the
fact that it was the only plugin available serving basemaps for
a long time and that it is mentioned all around the web in
tutorials etc.</div>
<div>Most of my collegues with less experience frequently step
into the traps and digitize stuff only to find later that the
result is shifted or the map is not printable.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I skipped it already a long time ago and tried to compensate
it by finding other sources like WMS etc which is not so easy
over here in Germany (especially since the built-in WMS Server
Search results are completely outdated for a long time).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Since the QuickMapServices plugin is there, I always
recommend that.</div>
<div>If this plugin would become the "successor" of OpenLayers, it
would be nice to know why those most popular sources like Bing
etc are "hidden" in the contributed services. Legal issues?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I already proposed to the developers to rename their plugin
to "Basemaps", cause thats what it is actually about and which
is a lot easier to understand and memorize.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Bernd</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am 31.12.2015, 07:17 Uhr, schrieb Paolo Cavallini
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:cavallini@faunalia.it"><cavallini@faunalia.it></a>:<br> </div>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0.80ex; border-left: #0000FF 2px
solid; padding-left: 1ex">Deprecating it makes sense to me,
unless authors plan to fix the long standing issues.<br>
Thanks for raising this.<br>
All the best.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">Il 31 dicembre 2015 06:47:08 CET, h
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:hdixon@bigpond.net.au"><hdixon@bigpond.net.au></a> ha scritto: \
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:42:27 -0500
Randal Hale <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:rjhale@northrivergeographic.com"><rjhale@northrivergeographic.com></a> \
wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> As a non-developer if I can chip in my .02 cents \
worth - I think deprecating it might be a good thing. To me it was always a plugin
that received a lot of applause - but the one that would cause the
most questions ("why can't I use this imagery in map composer").
While I liked having access to google/bing imagery - it always made
me more uncomfortable having it there because of the terms of service.
I didn't know that QuickMapServices was a plugin - and after looking
at it I think most people will have a problem because there is no
google/bing imagery in that one. In the US I have enough choices for
imagery - and that might not be the case everywhere else. I'm unsure
how up to date MapQuest Aerial is - but better than nothing.
</blockquote>
I got caught on that one.
In QuickMapServices>Settings there is a "Contributed Services" tile.
Select "Get Contributed Services" and a whole lot of stuff, including
Bing and Google are provided.
To me QMS makes "Open layers" obsolete - but it needs a bit more
documentation on how to get Bing etc!!!
On principle I am against retirement, but am not aware of a strong
argument against it for Open Layers. (Something I have used and valued
for quite some time..)
H
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Possibly add a pop-up/warning on the open layers \
plugin since it is popular - "We are in the process of deprecating this plugin".
Other than that - +1 for retirement.
Randy
On 12/30/2015 09:42 PM, Nyall Dawson wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 31 December 2015 at 13:29, Joshua Quesenberry \
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:engnfrc@gmail.com"><engnfrc@gmail.com></a> wrote: <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; \
padding-left: 1ex;"> If the plugin is deprecated, what is replacing it? I find the \
plugin to be very useful. </blockquote> QuickMapServices. It's got numerous \
improvements over OpenLayers, including reprojection support and not breaking the \
map composer.
Nyall
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px \
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Subject: Re: [Qgis-developer] Future of OpenLayers plugin - time to deprecate?
I think deprecation and removal would be good, but for a
tangential reason: the name conflicts with OpenLayers the web
mapping library. A trivial reason at best, but probably irritating
to many, and potentially confusing to users.
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