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Subject:    Re: [Python-porting] Example of data to collect
From:       Toshio Kuratomi <a.badger () gmail ! com>
Date:       2010-10-27 15:18:38
Message-ID: 20101027151837.GI14816 () unaka ! lan
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:37:35PM +0200, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Toshio Kuratomi, 2010-10-26]
> > I've put together a few entries for a table of useful information on python3
> > module status:
> > 
> > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/Modules
> > 
> > It involves some labor to create and manage that sort of table so there may
> > be a better way.  Not sure whether the wiki is the best place to track it.
> > 
> > What do people think?
> 
> there's similar table on Fedora's wiki ¹ and on Debian's ², but having a
> central place on python.org is a good idea (just added my tiny Mako
> patch there).
>
Okay, I'll continue adding the information from Fedora's wiki of known
status.  Anyone care to add information from the Debian page?  I'll also see
about getting Fedora people to add their information to the python.org page
instead and deprecate the Fedora-specific page so that we don't get out of
sync.

> IMO, this page is not the best place for a discussion/questions/etc.
> though. I, for example, would want to know why do you invoke `2to3 --write
> --nobackups . ` in Beaker - I didn't need that in my package, isn't
> use_2to3=True in setup.py enough? Should questions like this be sent to
> this mailing list or added to the wiki?
> 
I vote mailing list for lack of a better place.  Ideally, someone would
bring up the issue:

   "Hey, why is running 2to3 on beaker necessary?  I don't run it in the
   Debian package and it seems to work fine.  This is with Beaker version
   1.5.3."

Then other people with beaker packages/builds would try it out and say:

  "You're right.  I just tried it and it works here too.  I'll correct it in
  our packages as well."

The data on the wiki would be updated for future users and all of the beaker
packagers would be notified and update their packages.

Better than either the mailing list or wiki page would probably be an issue
tracker where we could assign the people building/packaging the modules for
each Linux distribution (and other interested parties) to the issues.  That
way we'd be sure that the right people were getting contacted about each
package.

Using the mailing list as the medium, it'll probably fall to certain contact
people to make sure that the right people are being told of these issues
which is less efficient and leads to single points of failure.  Doable in
the short term but we'd be better off with something else in the long term.

-Toshio

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