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From: Carl Smith <carl.input () gmail ! com>
Date: 2019-02-18 16:52:20
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I shouldn't let it bother me, but that "Sent from my iPhone" cruft really
gets under my skin.
-- Carl Smith
carl.input@gmail.com
On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 11:17, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 05:36, Christopher Barker <pythonchb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is getting pretty off toipic, but I want to point out hat as a
> rule, Python has been critisised more for having too MUCH cnage than too
> little over the last few years:
> [...]
> > Finally, what the heck is wrong with datetime.now ?
>
> Surely what's wrong is the fact that it adds another item to the list
> of changes that people will complain is "too much"? The conservatism
> in Python's development is not a result of the core devs being change
> averse, or because of a policy of blocking change. Rather it's because
> *the user community* reacts so strongly when we change things, so that
> we feel that stability is what our users want, and try to achieve that
> while still balancing the need for the language to grow and develop.
>
> In a list like this, which represents only a tiny fraction of Python's
> user community, it's easy to misjudge the appetite Python's users have
> for change, because this is a self-selecting group of people who are
> interested in change. That's why the pushback on *any* proposal made
> here is to ask what benefits it gives, and why in the absence of good
> arguments for a change, "the status quo wins".
>
> Paul
>
> PS Personally, I'd love to add a lot of the ideas discussed in this
> list (although I'm "meh" about datetime.now, it's at best a minor
> annoyance). But with my "python developer" hat on I have to look
> beyond that and try to help proposers develop a good case for their
> suggestions (if indeed they do have sufficient merit). Just saying
> "yay, that sounds cool" doesn't do that, even if it's my personal
> instinct.
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I shouldn't \
let it bother me, but that "Sent from my iPhone" cruft really gets under my \
skin.</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" \
data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div \
dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(115,115,115);font-style:italic;line-height:18px"><font \
size="1" face="monospace, monospace">-- Carl \
Smith</font></span><br></div></div><div><span \
style="color:rgb(115,115,115);font-style:italic;line-height:18px"><font size="1" \
face="monospace, monospace"><a href="mailto:carl.input@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">carl.input@gmail.com</a></font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 11:17, \
Paul Moore <<a href="mailto:p.f.moore@gmail.com">p.f.moore@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at \
05:36, Christopher Barker <<a href="mailto:pythonchb@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">pythonchb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br>
> This is getting pretty off toipic, but I want to point out hat as a rule, Python \
has been critisised more for having too MUCH cnage than too little over the last few \
years:<br> [...]<br>
> Finally, what the heck is wrong with datetime.now ?<br>
<br>
Surely what's wrong is the fact that it adds another item to the list<br>
of changes that people will complain is "too much"? The conservatism<br>
in Python's development is not a result of the core devs being change<br>
averse, or because of a policy of blocking change. Rather it's because<br>
*the user community* reacts so strongly when we change things, so that<br>
we feel that stability is what our users want, and try to achieve that<br>
while still balancing the need for the language to grow and develop.<br>
<br>
In a list like this, which represents only a tiny fraction of Python's<br>
user community, it's easy to misjudge the appetite Python's users have<br>
for change, because this is a self-selecting group of people who are<br>
interested in change. That's why the pushback on *any* proposal made<br>
here is to ask what benefits it gives, and why in the absence of good<br>
arguments for a change, "the status quo wins".<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
PS Personally, I'd love to add a lot of the ideas discussed in this<br>
list (although I'm "meh" about datetime.now, it's at best a \
minor<br> annoyance). But with my "python developer" hat on I have to \
look<br> beyond that and try to help proposers develop a good case for their<br>
suggestions (if indeed they do have sufficient merit). Just saying<br>
"yay, that sounds cool" doesn't do that, even if it's my \
personal<br> instinct.<br>
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