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Subject:    [Python-Dev] Re: March Steering Council update.
From:       Guido van Rossum <guido () python ! org>
Date:       2021-05-18 16:00:51
Message-ID: CAP7+vJ+FVj5VzOxU1FsDgeyRVuR9GsGkLzug0BM-xtb82dSW8A () mail ! gmail ! com
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Thanks, that's the context I was missing!

Package management is hard. No wonder some folks try to bypass the whole
thing and use Docker images instead. :-(

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 8:56 AM Christian Heimes <christian@python.org>
wrote:

> On 18/05/2021 16.19, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > There are a few mentions of Debian, but no explanation of what the issue
> > is about. Can you elaborate on that?
>
> Debian and Debian-based distros like Ubuntu are applying downstream
> packages and split CPython interpreter and stdlib into multiple
> packages. For example venv and distutils is split out and ensurepip is
> patched out. Debian packages were also missing dependencies on
> ca-certificates and tzdata, which are required for Python's ssl and
> zoneinfo modules. The changes caused usability issues for new and
> sometimes even for seasoned users of Python.
>
> I have contacted the SC in the beginning of this year and asked them to
> work with Debian maintainers. Some issues have been addressed and will
> be available in future releases. Matthias' talk at the language summit
> is related to the effort of improving Debian packaging.
>
> Christian
>


-- 
--Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
*Pronouns: he/him **(why is my pronoun here?)*
<http://feministing.com/2015/02/03/how-using-they-as-a-singular-pronoun-can-change-the-world/>

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<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks, that&#39;s the context I was \
missing!</div><div><br></div><div>Package management is hard. No wonder some folks \
try to bypass the whole thing and use Docker images instead. \
:-(<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On \
Tue, May 18, 2021 at 8:56 AM Christian Heimes &lt;<a \
href="mailto:christian@python.org">christian@python.org</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 18/05/2021 16.19, \
Guido van Rossum wrote:<br> &gt; There are a few mentions of Debian, but no \
explanation of what the issue<br> &gt; is about. Can you elaborate on that?<br>
<br>
Debian and Debian-based distros like Ubuntu are applying downstream<br>
packages and split CPython interpreter and stdlib into multiple<br>
packages. For example venv and distutils is split out and ensurepip is<br>
patched out. Debian packages were also missing dependencies on<br>
ca-certificates and tzdata, which are required for Python&#39;s ssl and<br>
zoneinfo modules. The changes caused usability issues for new and<br>
sometimes even for seasoned users of Python.<br>
<br>
I have contacted the SC in the beginning of this year and asked them to<br>
work with Debian maintainers. Some issues have been addressed and will<br>
be available in future releases. Matthias&#39; talk at the language summit<br>
is related to the effort of improving Debian packaging.<br>
<br>
Christian<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--Guido van Rossum \
(<a href="http://python.org/~guido" \
target="_blank">python.org/~guido</a>)</div><div><i \
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-weight:400;letter-s \
pacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal; \
word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span>Pronouns</span>: \
he/him </i><a href="http://feministing.com/2015/02/03/how-using-they-as-a-singular-pronoun-can-change-the-world/" \
style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;fon \
t-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px; \
text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" \
target="_blank"><i>(why is my  <span>pronoun</span>  \
here?)</i></a></div></div></div></div></div>



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