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List:       python-dev
Subject:    [Python-Dev] Re: Recent PEP-8 change
From:       Matt White <code () typenil ! com>
Date:       2020-06-30 17:59:08
Message-ID: 250fcc5b-97e8-ec8a-b3c6-6227ed7c87fd () typenil ! com
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> I am imagining the pain and hurt these conversations will cause for 
> people who are not as well positioned and not as comfortable in the 
> community.

Just want to throw out a counterpoint to the imagined people - as a real 
person who is not well positioned or comfortable in the community. I've 
been lurking on the list trying to wrap my head around the CPython 
process and how I might contribute.

I think it makes sense to remove the S&W standard, making it more open 
and less intimidating. I'm in a cohort that both agrees with the 
purported goal and disagrees with the execution. It's disappointing that 
anyone bringing up any counterpoint has to have a disclaimer so they 
aren't personally attacked, but this seems to be the level of discourse 
around these topics.

I'm not on Twitter for a reason; the commit message is much more suited 
to that environment. The goal, if it truly was for making a more 
inclusive community, has not been accomplished.

There is an effect - intended or not - making those of us who would 
rather focus on solving technical problems than having yet another 
exhausting emotionally charged rhetorical fight feel unwelcome. The 
personal attacks being thrown around are not helping.

If this was a necessary cost of inclusivity - which is the obvious 
fallback argument - it would be easier to believe the claim that this is 
entirely devoted to creating a more open and welcoming community. But 
the goal of opening things up by removing the S&W guideline could've 
been trivially accomplished without generating any of this drama.

It's baffling claim to promote cohesion and throw a partisan diatribe 
into the commit message.

> Mmm. Well, we said what we had to say.

I think this captures the real intentions of the PR.

Best,
Matt White
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