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List:       procmail
Subject:    Re: Please help me!! I'm going nuts over this!
From:       PSE-L () mail ! professional ! org (Professional Software Engineering)
Date:       2001-10-30 4:16:00
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At 20:55 2001-10-29 -0500, RoM_ServO wrote:
>I have to admit, I don't quite understand your instructions.  My webhost

I have to admit, I figured when you dropped your query on the PROCMAIL 
discussion list, and immediatley included a snippet of a rule, I made the 
rank amateur mistake of assuming you knew something about PROCMAIL, and 
perhaps had written the recipe in question, and were having trouble with 
it, which still presupposed that you were working with PROCMAIL.

>appear on messages, all I had to do was paste that code into rc.local.s10, 
>and uncomment the line in rc.custom which loads rc.local.s10

Are you positive that the instructions didn't tell you to paste the code 
into rc.frobbit and comment out some line in rc.invertigo ?

Without proper context, file names are meaningless, because they aren't 
part of PROCMAIL.  As it happens (and just below you casually mention it), 
these files are part of SMARTMAIL, which is where you should be looking to 
for support - SMARTMAIL has it's own separate mailing list.  I'd be 
surprised if the SMARTMAIL documentation doesn't mention that.  Without 
context, these could just as easily have been files from spambouncer or 
some other filter kit.

There are a great many filter kits built using PROCMAIL, but that doesn't 
mean that the people on the PROCMAIL mailing list are familiar with each of 
them.

>The sample to add the listname worked.  The sample to prevent the listname 
>from repeating did not.

I suggested that you enable verbose logging, and induce the error, then 
take a look at the log to see what procmail is tripping up on.  If you 
can't do that, then at an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM (which still isn't doing your 
own footwork), present the list with a half-dozen substantially DIFFERENT 
subject lines which failed to be protected from the subject alteration, and 
expect that people will reply with cryptic stuff about regular expressions 
and procmail recipe syntax.

If you give us only part of the equation, we simply cannot provide an 
answer - we can merely guess, and that's a major waste of time which could 
be spent doing other things none of us get paid for either.

>Other than that, this is all confusing to me, and i kinda need something 
>prewritten that I can paste
>into rc.local.s10, since i dont understand most of the other stuff...
>Thanks for your help.....

If you're expecting a ready-made hack to a SMARTMAIL filter, the SMARTMAIL 
list would be a logical best place to look for it.  Fact is, if the 
SMARTMAIL docs suggested this recipe you're using, and it doesn't work (and 
you've re-checked and re-checked the docs and your edited recipe), then 
someone on the SMARTMAIL list will probably have run their head up against 
this same thing and produced a fix for it.

If you check the URL in my .sig (or the procmail manpages for that matter), 
you'd find useful information about VERBOSE logging, but that only matters 
if you're interested in learning how to use PROCMAIL.

I don't mean to sound unappreciative to your plight, but if you're not 
willing to understand the tool, don't expect a line of people waiting to 
answer each of your questions, particularly if they're exposed to your 
plight a step at a time, and can't just take the wheel and fix it.  Because 
in short order you can mess up mail bigtime (and not just your own, you can 
make a LOT of people angry at you by generating mail loops on a mailing 
list) via improper use of procmail, its use by people who aren't interested 
(or "don't have the time", whatever) in learning about the tool before 
diving into it's use isn't encouraged.  Your best bet for a "cut-n-paste" 
solution is to ask for support in the SMARTLIST discussion list, and if 
that doesn't work, find someone (perhaps at your own ISP?) who will do the 
work -- on the server -- with your account -- likely for a fee -- for you.

If however, you're interested in learning to use PROCMAIL, check out 'man 
procmail', 'man procmailex', 'man procmailrc', 'man procmailsc', 'man 
formail', and <http://www.procmail.org> to start.

And above all, remember not to test new recipes on live mail, but to use a 
sandbox configuration.

---
  Sean B. Straw / Professional Software Engineering

  Procmail disclaimer: <http://www.professional.org/procmail/disclaimer.html>
  Please DO NOT carbon me on list replies.  I'll get my copy from the list.

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