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Subject:    RE: [PHP-EVANGELISM] Re: Bad rep & education
From:       "SHEETS,JASON (HP-Boise,ex1)" <jason.sheets () hp ! com>
Date:       2003-05-06 16:52:15
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I'm scheduled to teach a class on PHP and PostgreSQL next Saturday, if you
want I'll send you my material when I'm done.

Jason

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From: Szymon Machajewski [mailto:SMachaje@grcc.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:16 AM
To: php-evangelism@lists.php.net
Subject: [PHP-EVANGELISM] Re: Bad rep & education


Is it possible that PHP reputation will grow as universities adopt courses
teaching PHP ?

By the way, does anyone have tests or courses that use PHP and MySQL? 
I'm trying to put together a course.

Any help would be appreciated.


Sincerely,

Szymon Machajewski MCSD, CNA
Grand Rapids Community College

"For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial,
but in every nation the man that fears him 
and works righteousness is acceptable to him."

Acts 10:35,36

>>> Graham Rosser <graham.rosser@magicfishtank.com> 5/6/2003 6:24:50 AM
>>>
I don't know if this has been covered before, but it seems to me that PHP,
despite its widespread use, is very much considered to be a "Cinderella" of
the modern programming languages.

How do I know this? Well, looking at the job market in the UK, it seems that
most, if not all, the people looking for PHP skills (a small, but
increasing, number) rate the value of those skills at something considerably
less than basic HTML coding. In fact, if you went for a PHP job, you'd
probably get better paid for making the tea...

Certainly, the disparity between the perceived value of PHP skills and
things like Perl, Java, JSP, etc., is absolutely vast. This applies in all
sizes of business.

I find this disconcerting because, as a programmer of some 30 years
experience, I've adopted PHP in preference to Perl, which I find inelegant
and quirky, and have used it increasingly in place of Shell and C, both of
which I consider myself to be above average at coding.

I'd like to think that, in adopting a language for preference, I wasn't
being completely daft, that my reasoning was sound and based on the
qualities that I see in that language.

Is there someone out there who's taking note of how PHP is perceived? Am I
wrong in my assessments? What can be done, if I'm right?

Regards

Graham


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