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List:       perl-module-build
Subject:    Re: Organising a Module::Build session at YAPC::NA
From:       Ken Williams <ken () mathforum ! org>
Date:       2006-06-15 2:51:53
Message-ID: F0AF4587-D76E-424D-9901-7436CA1CF37A () mathforum ! org
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On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:03 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote:

>> As with several other iterations of this debate, though, this  
>> consists of you pointing out some flaws, and someone else trying  
>> to calm you down or ameliorate the debate.  I do appreciate your  
>> thoughts and analysis of the situation, but patches (or even  
>> proposed solutions) speak a lot louder than speaking loudly.
>
> Most often from my perspective it consists of being told the  
> problem either a) isn't a problem, or b) doesn't impact many people  
> at the moment, or c) We'll look into it.

Yeah, I can see how that would be frustrating.  However, I think b)  
and c) are indeed true. =)


> Because I'm not a M:B user, and not really part of the "community"  
> I haven't felt it's really my place to make large changes to the  
> design of M:B.

Well, probably not to *make* them, but certainly your input is welcome.


>
> If you are requesting design proposals, I am happy to suggest some.

Certainly I would welcome any proposals.  There are about a million  
different ways we could go, and it would be great to get a sense of  
what some of people's ideas are.

Actually, just a document with a set of short, coherent statements  
about what the problem(s) is(are) would be a good start.  You'd be a  
good person to take a first crack at that, I think?


> As a starting point, I think that the idea of CPANPLUS  
> instantiating Module::Build objects directly has to go, and favour  
> of a CPAN.pm style loosely coupled execution approach, as others  
> have mentioned.

Yes, I think that would give us the biggest bang for the buck at this  
point.  Clearly we'll still have work to do afterwards, but it's a  
good first step.

The CP+ people turned over the CP+::Dist::Build module to us, so if  
someone wants to look into this and submit patches we could get them  
tested and released without waiting for those guys to act.

  -Ken

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