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Subject:    RE: If Microsoft, Adobe & Oracle are listening ....
From:       "Lawrence Garvin" <lawrence.garvin () att ! net>
Date:       2011-09-28 1:29:52
Message-ID: 000001cc7d7e$1f93e840$5ebbb8c0$ () att ! net
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It's also worthy of note that Win7 SP1 is an Exclusive update... thus, it
will not install as long as there are other Important updates pending
installation.

As for Internet Explorer 9, there's an open thread in the TechNet WSUS forum
reporting similar behavior, where IE9 is not being installed on Windows 7,
although it is properly approved. The cause seems to be possibly related to
a missing prerequisite update, but not knowing what's actually in the
rulesets, it's hard to know. This is one of those scenarios where it would
be really helpful if Product Groups were to explicitly document the
applicability and installation requirements that they've coded into the
package definitions.


-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Bradley [mailto:sbradcpa@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:25 PM
To: Patch Management Mailing List
Subject: Re: If Microsoft, Adobe & Oracle are listening ....

IE 9 and Windows 7 sp1 should not be automatically pushed at this time.  
Especially IE9 (as long as IE9 still has an issue with Exchange's MMC it's
not ready to be widely pushed).

I applaud Microsoft for leaving those to the choice of the user.  That said
shame on the industry (all of us) for making alert to be ignored.

On 9/27/2011 11:50 AM, Lars Nelson wrote:
> Interesting take on the state of patch mangement for the "average home
user".
>
> Computer was installed for a remote worker about three months ago.
> Win7 Home Ultimate.
>
> Computer was patched to current at that time and when I left had Adobe 
> Acrobat and Adobe Flash player installed and was configured in the 
> "standard user" setup.  Today in looking at this computer, the system 
> still had the original versions of those apps installed and SP1 along 
> with IE9 were not installed.
>
> With  the MS apps, SP1 and IE9 show as available to install, but are 
> not installing -- that is the user would need to manually install 
> these updates.  I'm guessing that if they never manually installed 
> them that they never would install?
>
> On the Adobe end, to my knowledge a user running in standard mode is 
> never prompted automatically and only will be prompted to install 
> updates on Acrobat if they actually open a PDF file.  Let's hope that 
> isn't a hacked PDF!
>
> I guess what I'm getting at here is that that for the home user 
> running in standard mode, getting things patched almost requires 
> manual intervention.  And my experience is that this just doesn't 
> happen in the wild.  In fact (and Secunia has some stats on this I
> think) I'd bet that less that a 5% of home computers are patched to 
> current.  Is that acceptible to the industry?
>
> On the other hand, do users need to take a more active role and be 
> responsible for the upkeep of their computers?  That is understand 
> that it isn't a TV.  Likely so.
>
>
> - Lars
>
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