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From: "Chapman, Brad \(NBCUniversal\) via Outages-discussion" <outages-discussion () outa
Date: 2023-11-06 15:59:49
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Here's an insightful comment today from a redditor who claims to have worked at \
Flexential in the managed services side.
I looked him up on LinkedIn: he was in DevOps / SRE and worked there a total of 6 \
years.
Flexential sounds like a shit show, but he's also surprised that Cloudflare chose \
this place. Either they didn't research it, or Flexential was doing a terrific snow \
job on them.
-Brad
Well, I'm not surprised in the slightest.
I didn't work on the Colo side -- I was in Managed Services, but our entire platform \
lived on top of the Colo stuff, so I had plenty of interaction with those folks.
Flexential is a company that was created out of mergers/acquisitions between ViaWest \
and Peak10 (both big Colo companies, the former mostly West of the Mississippi and \
the latter mostly East), and INetU, a Managed Services company with its own \
datacenter footprint. After the mergers, the company culture went from one of the \
best I had ever been a part of (at INetU) to dismally bad. All of the good employees \
left and it seemed like they only hired numbnutses to replace them.
Management is ineffective at best (toxic at worst), and routinely makes bad \
decisions. Most of the good fortune the company has are due to either pure accidents \
that end up somehow leading to success (think: Mr. Magoo), or because the C-suite \
schmoozed some customer executive at a fancy steakhouse into giving them their \
business.
Their profits have been very bad (if existent) for years and they pinch pennies \
wherever possible. Their infrastructure testing practices have gotten worse and \
worse as the good infrastructure people left the company and their replacements \
didn't know any better.
So yeah, I'm not surprised at all that they fucked up this badly -- I'm actually more \
surprised that Cloudflare put their core of operations at a Flexential datacenter.
—Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 5, 2023, at 4:57 PM, Benjamin Monjay <ke7dkg@gmail.com> wrote:
It's not PG&E, it's Portland General Electric. Here is the page on it.
https://portlandgeneral.com/save-money/save-money-business/dispatchable-standby-genera \
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On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, 9:08 AM Jay R. Ashworth via Outages-discussion \
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> From: "Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal) via Outages-discussion" \
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> What do you make of the DSG power sharing program, with the generators being
> used to help the utilities? I had literally never heard of this before, and it
> seems like a risky idea on paper. Given PG&E's, uh, shall we say, less than
> stellar track record with safety and reliability...
I cannot speak to whether PG&E can *execute* the program outlined in that
flier, but, as far as I can see, they certainly answered all those questions
the way I would want to see them answered if I were a DC operator.
Their advantage is solely the availablity of extra spinning capacity; damn
near every other advantage inures to the genset owner.
Cheers,
-- jra
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<div>Here's an insightful comment today from a redditor who claims to have worked at \
Flexential in the managed services side. </div> <div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked him up on LinkedIn: he was in DevOps / SRE and worked there a total of \
6 years. </div> <div><br>
</div>
<div>Flexential sounds like a shit show, but he's also surprised that Cloudflare \
chose this place. Either they didn't research it, or Flexential was doing a \
terrific snow job on them.</div> <div><br>
</div>
<div>-Brad</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div></div>
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<div>Well, I'm not surprised in the slightest.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I didn't work on the Colo side -- I was in Managed Services, but our entire \
platform lived on top of the Colo stuff, so I had plenty of interaction with those \
folks.</div> <div><br>
</div>
<div>Flexential is a company that was created out of mergers/acquisitions between \
ViaWest and Peak10 (both big Colo companies, the former mostly West of the \
Mississippi and the latter mostly East), and INetU, a Managed Services company with \
its own datacenter footprint. After the mergers, the company culture went from \
one of the best I had ever been a part of (at INetU) to dismally bad. All of \
the good employees left and it seemed like they only hired numbnutses to replace \
them.</div> <div><br>
</div>
<div>Management is ineffective at best (toxic at worst), and routinely makes bad \
decisions. Most of the good fortune the company has are due to either pure \
accidents that end up somehow leading to success (think: Mr. Magoo), or because the \
C-suite schmoozed some customer executive at a fancy steakhouse into giving them \
their business.</div> <div><br>
</div>
<div>Their profits have been very bad (if existent) for years and they pinch pennies \
wherever possible. Their infrastructure testing practices have gotten worse and \
worse as the good infrastructure people left the company and their replacements \
didn't know any better.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So yeah, I'm not surprised at all that they fucked up this badly -- I'm actually \
more surprised that Cloudflare put their core of operations at a Flexential \
datacenter.</div> <div><br>
</div>
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<div><br>
</div>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">—Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Nov 5, 2023, at 4:57 PM, Benjamin Monjay \
<ke7dkg@gmail.com> wrote:<br> <br>
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<div dir="auto">It's not PG&E, it's Portland General Electric. Here is the page \
on it. <div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://portlandgeneral.com/save- \
money/save-money-business/dispatchable-standby-generators__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!uNwsmiEi4zatJpF6NdfqCICp9FS1OR_5VzEd6SbLzPBBZC2G9KTlyLx5d835FSx_Z1NHsoO6jYBeduow$" \
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://portlandgeneral.com/save-money/save-money-business/dispatchable-standby-generators</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, 9:08 AM Jay R. Ashworth via \
Outages-discussion <<a href="mailto:outages-discussion@outages.org" \
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> From: "Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal) via Outages-discussion" <<a \
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target="_blank">outages-discussion@outages.org</a>><br> <br>
> What do you make of the DSG power sharing program, with the generators being<br>
> used to help the utilities? I had literally never heard of this before, and \
it<br> > seems like a risky idea on paper. Given PG&E's, uh, shall we say, \
less than<br> > stellar track record with safety and reliability...<br>
<br>
I cannot speak to whether PG&E can *execute* the program outlined in that<br>
flier, but, as far as I can see, they certainly answered all those questions<br>
the way I would want to see them answered if I were a DC operator.<br>
<br>
Their advantage is solely the availablity of extra spinning capacity; damn<br>
near every other advantage inures to the genset owner.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
-- jra<br>
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