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Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [EXTERNAL] [outages] Cellular Outage
From: John Neiberger <jneiberger () gmail ! com>
Date: 2020-06-16 16:03:55
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I still find it incredibly coincidental that right before the outage began
I received an email from Google Fi, my old provider, saying they're sorry
to see me go, as if I had just left. I actually left a year ago. Then when
the outage really took off, my personal cell wasn't even talking to the TMO
towers, but my work cell--which has been TMO for years--seemed to never
lose connectivity to the towers. It was almost as if this were an issue
with the customer database getting hosed somehow, not just a network issue,
per se. It may have just been a coincidence, but the timing was pretty
strange.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:56 AM Jason Kuehl <jason.w.kuehl@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have so many theories. I can't wait to see RCA on this.
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:34 AM Frank Bulk <frnkblk@iname.com> wrote:
>
> > I read a news report about Level3 backhaul, too, but CenturyLink refuted
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are the two most page I've read so far:
> >
> > "This is an IP traffic related issue that has created significant
> > capacity issues in the network core throughout the day."
> >
> > https://www.t-mobile.com/news/update-for-customers-on-network-issues
> >
> >
> >
> > "The network outage was related to the company's 5G rollout, Deutsche
> > Telekom AG Chief Executive Officer Tim Hoettges said in a press conference."
> >
> >
> > https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-15/t-mobile-working-to-recover-from-major-service-disruption?srnd=premium
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Outages-discussion <outages-discussion-bounces@outages.org> *On
> > Behalf Of *Nate
> > *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 5:20 PM
> > *To:* Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal) <Brad.Chapman@nbcuni.com>
> > *Cc:* OUTAGES Discussion List <Outages-discussion@outages.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Outages-discussion] [EXTERNAL] [outages] Cellular Outage
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm hearing chatter it might be Level3 Back-haul provider is having
> > issues. Can anyone confirm this? Or deny this?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 3:24 PM Chapman, Brad (NBCUniversal) <
> > Brad.Chapman@nbcuni.com> wrote:
> >
> > Downdetector.com receives unfiltered, unreviewed submissions from the
> > general public.
> >
> > Most of the data on this site has value, but there is also a lot of
> > noise.
> >
> > When reporting an issue with the carriers, people have three choices: no
> > signal, no calls, no data.
> >
> > Perhaps the reports on the other carriers is the result of customers
> > calling a friend who has T-Mobile or Sprint, and the call did not go
> > through. They assume, erroneously, that it must be their own carrier's
> > fault.
> >
> > -Brad
> >
> > On 6/15/20, 1:53 PM, "Outages on behalf of Jay R. Ashworth via Outages" <
> > outages-bounces@outages.org on behalf of outages@outages.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, apparently this *is* affecting data. :-)
> >
> > This outage is affecting all 4 carriers, and in many states,
> > according to
> > reports in a number of channels. I have this from a Tampa local:
> >
> > """
> > This is because of an update in the systems from the Sprint side to
> > help
> > merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST and Sprint's
> > systems
> > clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have off today.
> > """
> >
> > That's not going to esplain the other carriers' problems, of course,
> > but...
> >
> > Now that everyone knows that everyone knows, let's keep the main-list
> > traffic
> > to either *actual ticket data*, or *actual clearance reports*; put
> > everything
> > else on -discuss, please.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -- jr '</admin>' a
> > --
> > Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
> > jra@baylink.com
> > Designer The Things I Think
> > RFC 2100
> > Ashworth & Associates
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.bcp38.info__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!8KnvtBqyLZehc_D4s2ag-poOut4vOMmT9VUqEs7vzuxGseigZqBPvco7RC-YreAPjg$
> > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.bcp38.info__;!!PIZeeW5wscynRQ!8KnvtBqyLZehc_D4s2ag-poOut4vOMmT9VUqEs7vzuxGseigZqBPvco7RC-YreAPjg$>
> > 2000 Land Rover DII
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>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Jason W Kuehl
> Cell 920-419-8983
> jason.w.kuehl@gmail.com
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I \
still find it incredibly coincidental that right before the outage began I received \
an email from Google Fi, my old provider, saying they're sorry to see me go, as \
if I had just left. I actually left a year ago. Then when the outage really took off, \
my personal cell wasn't even talking to the TMO towers, but my work cell--which \
has been TMO for years--seemed to never lose connectivity to the towers. It was \
almost as if this were an issue with the customer database getting hosed somehow, not \
just a network issue, per se. It may have just been a coincidence, but the timing was \
pretty strange.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:56 AM Jason Kuehl <<a \
href="mailto:jason.w.kuehl@gmail.com">jason.w.kuehl@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I have \
so many theories. I can't wait to see RCA on this.</div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:34 \
AM Frank Bulk <<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" \
target="_blank">frnkblk@iname.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">I read \
a news report about Level3 backhaul, too, but CenturyLink refuted \
it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p \
class="MsoNormal">Here are the two most page I've read so far:<u></u><u></u></p><p \
class="MsoNormal">"This is an IP traffic related issue that has created significant \
capacity issues in the network core throughout the day."<u></u><u></u></p><p \
class="MsoNormal"><a \
href="https://www.t-mobile.com/news/update-for-customers-on-network-issues" \
target="_blank">https://www.t-mobile.com/news/update-for-customers-on-network-issues</a><u></u><u></u></p><p \
class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">"The network outage was \
related to the company's 5G rollout, Deutsche Telekom AG Chief Executive Officer Tim \
Hoettges said in a press conference."<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a \
href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-15/t-mobile-working-to-recover-from-major-service-disruption?srnd=premium" \
target="_blank">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-15/t-mobile-working-to-recover-from-major-service-disruption?srnd=premium</a><u></u><u></u></p><p \
class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Frank<u></u><u></u></p><p \
class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div \
style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid \
rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> \
Outages-discussion <<a href="mailto:outages-discussion-bounces@outages.org" \
target="_blank">outages-discussion-bounces@outages.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of \
</b>Nate<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 15, 2020 5:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chapman, Brad \
(NBCUniversal) <<a href="mailto:Brad.Chapman@nbcuni.com" \
target="_blank">Brad.Chapman@nbcuni.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> OUTAGES Discussion List \
<<a href="mailto:Outages-discussion@outages.org" \
target="_blank">Outages-discussion@outages.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: \
[Outages-discussion] [EXTERNAL] [outages] Cellular Outage<u></u><u></u></p></div><p \
class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm hearing \
chatter it might be Level3 Back-haul provider is having issues. Can anyone confirm \
this? Or deny this?<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> \
<u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 3:24 PM Chapman, Brad \
(NBCUniversal) <<a href="mailto:Brad.Chapman@nbcuni.com" \
target="_blank">Brad.Chapman@nbcuni.com</a>> \
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote \
style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p \
class="MsoNormal">Downdetector.com receives unfiltered, unreviewed submissions from \
the general public. <br><br>Most of the data on this site has value, but there is \
also a lot of noise. <br><br>When reporting an issue with the carriers, people have \
three choices: no signal, no calls, no data. <br><br>Perhaps the reports on the \
other carriers is the result of customers calling a friend who has T-Mobile or \
Sprint, and the call did not go through. They assume, erroneously, that it must be \
their own carrier's fault.<br><br>-Brad<br><br>On 6/15/20, 1:53 PM, \
"Outages on behalf of Jay R. Ashworth via Outages" <<a \
href="mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org" \
target="_blank">outages-bounces@outages.org</a> on behalf of <a \
href="mailto:outages@outages.org" target="_blank">outages@outages.org</a>> \
wrote:<br><br> Ok, apparently this *is* affecting data. :-)<br><br> This \
outage is affecting all 4 carriers, and in many states, according to <br> \
reports in a number of channels. I have this from a Tampa local:<br><br> \
"""<br> This is because of an update in the systems from the \
Sprint side to help <br> merge with T Mobile. That happened from 12am-6am EST \
and Sprint's systems <br> clashed with T Mobile's. I'm glad I have \
off today.<br> """<br><br> That's not going to esplain \
the other carriers' problems, of course, but...<br><br> Now that everyone \
knows that everyone knows, let's keep the main-list traffic<br> to either \
*actual ticket data*, or *actual clearance reports*; put everything<br> else on \
-discuss, please.<br><br> Cheers,<br> -- jr '</admin>' a<br> \
-- <br> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink \
<a href="mailto:jra@baylink.com" target="_blank">jra@baylink.com</a><br> \
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