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Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] Issues between NTT and Verizon
From: Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve ! com>
Date: 2015-04-01 12:04:42
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Let's hope they wake up and fix it. If not it's going to be time to pull
the plug and go else where.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Adam Rothschild <asr@latency.net> wrote:
> It is trivial to verify that congestion exists between 701-2914,
> without getting into any information which would be covered by NDA.
>
> Without providing editorial commentary, I'd not expect any upgrades
> any time soon either, due to traffic ratios and neither party wanting
> to budge.
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Gert Doering <gert@greenie.muc.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 06:19:58PM -0400, Dovid Bender wrote:
> >> Is anyone seeing issues between NTT and Verizon FiOS? It seems like NTT
> >> knows about the issue and is in a round about way blaming Verizon saying
> >> the base of the issue is non technical but because of the NDA they can't
> >> discuss.
> >
> > Yeah, that seems to be the new way to annoy customers. Sign peering
> > agreements under a NDA that does not even permit telling customers where
> > or *what* the problem is.
> >
> > We've had that with NTT and DTAG, and I'm still waiting for our AM to
> > come back with an official statement...
> >
> > (Now I'm all willing to blaim Verizon and DTAG for this crap, but the
> > whole approach to non-solving technical issues stinks)
> >
> > gert
> >
> > --
> > USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!
> > //
> www.muc.de/~gert/
> > Gert Doering - Munich, Germany
> gert@greenie.muc.de
> > fax: +49-89-35655025
> gert@net.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
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<div dir="ltr">Let's hope they wake up and fix it. If not it's going to be \
time to pull the plug and go else where.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Adam Rothschild <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asr@latency.net" \
target="_blank">asr@latency.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">It is trivial to verify that congestion exists between \
701-2914,<br> without getting into any information which would be covered by NDA.<br>
<br>
Without providing editorial commentary, I'd not expect any upgrades<br>
any time soon either, due to traffic ratios and neither party wanting<br>
to budge.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Gert Doering <<a \
href="mailto:gert@greenie.muc.de">gert@greenie.muc.de</a>> wrote:<br> > Hi,<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 06:19:58PM -0400, Dovid Bender wrote:<br>
>> Is anyone seeing issues between NTT and Verizon FiOS? It seems like NTT<br>
>> knows about the issue and is in a round about way blaming Verizon saying<br>
>> the base of the issue is non technical but because of the NDA they \
can't<br> >> discuss.<br>
><br>
> Yeah, that seems to be the new way to annoy customers. Sign peering<br>
> agreements under a NDA that does not even permit telling customers where<br>
> or *what* the problem is.<br>
><br>
> We've had that with NTT and DTAG, and I'm still waiting for our AM \
to<br> > come back with an official statement...<br>
><br>
> (Now I'm all willing to blaim Verizon and DTAG for this crap, but the<br>
> whole approach to non-solving technical issues stinks)<br>
><br>
> gert<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!<br>
> \
//<a href="http://www.muc.de/~gert/" target="_blank">www.muc.de/~gert/</a><br> > \
Gert Doering - Munich, Germany <a \
href="mailto:gert@greenie.muc.de">gert@greenie.muc.de</a><br> > fax: <a \
href="tel:%2B49-89-35655025" value="+498935655025">+49-89-35655025</a> \
<a href="mailto:gert@net.informatik.tu-muenchen.de">gert@net.informatik.tu-muenchen.de</a><br>
</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> \
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