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List:       outages
Subject:    Re: [outages] [Outages-discussion]  NANOG
From:       Larry Sheldon via Outages <outages () outages ! org>
Date:       2015-10-26 16:22:39
Message-ID: 562E534F.4030009 () cox ! net
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On 10/26/2015 10:41, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 10/26/2015 06:46, John Souvestre via Outages wrote:
>> I haven=92t seen anything but a steady stream of spam on NANOG for the
>> last 1.5 days or so.  Is this what you are seeing?  They can=92t filter
>> it?
>
> I have no useful information for the currently active problem except to
> say that identifying it is so trivial that my Thunderbird filters catch
> 100% of it with no false positives.
>
> I do have one or more questions that I will raise on -discussion.

My apologies for the duplicate--I did not recognize the addressing error.

I am no longer on the line, but back in the day I got banned from NANOG =

several times for raising  the issues of network abuse and insisting =

that abuse of the network was a proper topic for Network Operators.  But =

in spite of the fact that I managed a 65,000-address address space with =

several thousand active addresses spread of much of eastern Nebraska, I =

was not worthy of any respect.

In addition, it appears that the major operators were (are?) in fact =

pro-abuse because it generates revenue producing traffic.

No argument that people who provide "for a cash cost transit" get paid =

for the abuse traffic.  One of my questions is this:  Don't the people =

that have to pay for transit have an interest in reducing the traffic =

they have to pay for?

A related question:  Don't the people that operate networks have a loss =

in man-power dollars supporting the abuse traffic?  In equipment =

dollars?  In loss of goodwill?
-- =

sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
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