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Subject:    AW: [osiris] Memory consumption of osiris scanner on Windows
From:       Peter.Frey () haufe ! de
Date:       2004-07-21 14:54:40
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Hi Brian, 

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: osiris-bounces+peter.frey=haufe.de@lists.shmoo.com 
> [mailto:osiris-bounces+peter.frey=haufe.de@lists.shmoo.com] 
> Im Auftrag von Brian Wotring
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Juli 2004 16:04
> An: Osiris Users
> Betreff: Re: [osiris] Memory consumption of osiris scanner on Windows
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> No, this is not a known issue, however, beta versions of the 
> Windows agents and management console did have memory leaks 
> related to OpenSSL on Windows.  All of these leaks were 
> believed to have been dealt with but it is possible that some 
> have crept back in.
> 
> There is no easy way to have the daemon restart itself after a scan. 
> And, I don't feel comfortable with that as a solution.  If 
> there are memory leaks in the agent, it needs to be fixed, no 
> questions.  I will add this to the list of things to look at 
> before the next release.
> 
> p.s.  Do you see any similar behavior in the management 
> console, or have you taken notice?

I do not care about the management console, as it is run only occasionally
and closed again after use.

I checked with a production server (a database server) and here the observed
memory usage information over a couple of months
(collected at certain points in time using pslist -m, from
www.sysinternals.com):

(note in April we switched from PsList 1.23 to PsList 1.26, so the
difference in the headers)

for the osirisd process:

                      Pid      VM      WS   WS Pk    Priv   Faults NonP Page
PageFile
2004-02-03_0745      1656   27628    2472    3540    1024     8174    3   26
1024
2004-02-24_2216      1960   24704    2436    2436     692      655    3   24
692
2004-03-05_0851      1960   27692    1152    3124    1032    10763    3   26
1032
2004-03-06_1126      1632   27628    3440    3540    1024     9174    3   26
1024
2004-03-11_0758      1532   27604    3416    3524    1008     8822    3   26
1008
2004-03-17_0735       836  550240  142968  143060  272568    93271    4   26
272568
2004-04-05_0809      1620 1336672  245364  437828 1291624   717050    4   26
1291624

                      Pid      VM      WS    Priv Priv Pk   Faults   NonP
Page
2004-04-07_0844      1620 1500512   33292 1427500 1427604   792864    4   26
2004-04-14_1231      1620  550240  216160  476556  476660   142387    4   26
2004-05-15_0729      2784   25080    2472     716     716      660    3   24
2004-06-01_2054      5876   25080    2408     716     716      647    3   24
2004-06-15_2137      4236  157032   76088   73720   73824    27827    4   26

and for the osirism process (running on this machine):

2004-02-03_0745     1676   33784    3436    4952    1680    14585   13   28
1680
2004-02-24_2216     1800   33784    3976    5056    1392    11215   13   28
1392
2004-03-05_0851     1800   93176    2392   40668    3824    82000   14   28
3824
2004-03-06_1126     1652   33784    3948    6592    1248    15795   13   28
1248
2004-03-11_0758     1552   31656    4232    5888    1552    19452   14   29
1552
2004-03-17_0735     3592  287780    3336  103980    5236   120738   13   28
5236
2004-04-05_0809     1640  287780    3212  103624    3592   551620   13   28
3592

2004-04-07_0844           1640  287780    3084    3592  150528   558114
13   28
2004-04-14_1231           1640   43044    2544    1808   12016    41123
13   28
2004-05-15_0729           1652  156712    3056    2476   74380   174226
13   28
2004-06-01_2054           1652  157736    2696    3320   74380   260749
13   36
2004-06-15_2137           1652  156712    2988    4036   74380   324913
13   36

this is with osiris 3.0.4 that was installed on march 13th, before osiris
3.0.0 was running on this server.
osirism is not a problem, but osirisd does grows steadily over time, see 1.5
GB Virtual Memory on April 7th.

> 
> Peter.Frey@haufe.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > we have a problem with the memory consumption of the osiris scanner 
> > process (osirisd.exe) on our windows systems.
> > This is with osiris 4.0.1 (in production), but can also be 
> observered 
> > with osiris 4.0.3 (test environment)
> > 
> > For example:
> > 
> > after run 1:
> > Private Bytes:       52.312
> > Working Set:         54.788
> > 
> > after run 2:
> > Private Bytes:      103.556
> > Working Set:        106.068
> > 
> > After each run the working set and private bytes count (according to
> > ProcessExplorer) grows +50 KBytes,
> > the only way to get the scanner back to normal is by restarting it.
> > 
> > Is this a known problem?
> > Also, is it possible to do an auto-restart of the osiris 
> scanner e.g. 
> > after each successfull scan,
> > to get rid of this memory overhead (that can grow to MBytes on long 
> > running production systems)?
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > 
> > 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > osiris mailing list
> > osiris@lists.shmoo.com
> > https://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/osiris
> 
> 
> -- 
>      Brian Wotring ( brian@shmoo.com )
>      PGP KeyID: 0x9674763D
> 
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Hi Brian, </FONT>
</P>

&gt; -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
 &gt; Von: osiris-bounces+peter.frey=haufe.de@lists.shmoo.com 
 &gt; [<A \
HREF="mailto:osiris-bounces+peter.frey=haufe.de@lists.shmoo.com">mailto:osiris-bounces+peter.frey=haufe.de@lists.shmoo.com</A>] \
 &gt; Im Auftrag von Brian Wotring
 &gt; Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Juli 2004 16:04
 &gt; An: Osiris Users
 &gt; Betreff: Re: [osiris] Memory consumption of osiris scanner on \
Windows &gt; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; 
 &gt; Hi Peter,
 &gt; 
 &gt; No, this is not a known issue, however, beta versions of the \
 &gt; Windows agents and management console did have memory \
leaks &gt; related to OpenSSL on Windows.&nbsp; All of these \
leaks were &gt; believed to have been dealt with but it is \
possible that some &gt; have crept back in.
 &gt; 
 &gt; There is no easy way to have the daemon restart itself after a \
scan. &gt; And, I don't feel comfortable with that as a \
solution.&nbsp; If &gt; there are memory leaks in the agent, \
it needs to be fixed, no &gt; questions.&nbsp; I will add \
this to the list of things to look at &gt; before the next \
release. &gt; 
 &gt; p.s.&nbsp; Do you see any similar behavior in the management \
 &gt; console, or have you taken notice?

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I do not care about the management console, as it is run only \
occasionally and closed again after use.</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>I checked with a production server (a database server) and here the \
observed memory usage information over a couple of months</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>(collected at certain points in time using pslist -m, from \
www.sysinternals.com):</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>(note in April we switched from PsList 1.23 to PsList 1.26, so the \
difference in the headers)</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>for the osirisd process:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
Pid&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VM&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; WS&nbsp;&nbsp; WS \
Pk&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Priv&nbsp;&nbsp; Faults NonP Page PageFile</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-02-03_0745&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1656&nbsp;&nbsp; \
27628&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2472&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3540&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1024&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8174&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; \
26&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1024</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-02-24_2216&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1960&nbsp;&nbsp; \
24704&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2436&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2436&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
692&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 655&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; \
24&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 692</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-03-05_0851&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1960&nbsp;&nbsp; \
27692&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1152&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3124&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1032&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10763&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; \
26&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1032</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-03-06_1126&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1632&nbsp;&nbsp; \
27628&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3440&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3540&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1024&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9174&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; \
26&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1024</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-03-11_0758&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1532&nbsp;&nbsp; \
27604&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3416&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3524&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1008&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8822&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; \
26&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1008</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-03-17_0735&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 836&nbsp; 550240&nbsp; \
142968&nbsp; 143060&nbsp; 272568&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 93271&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
4&nbsp;&nbsp; 26&nbsp;&nbsp; 272568</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-04-05_0809&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1620 1336672&nbsp; 245364&nbsp; \
437828 1291624&nbsp;&nbsp; 717050&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 26&nbsp; \
1291624</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
Pid&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; VM&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
WS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Priv Priv Pk&nbsp;&nbsp; Faults&nbsp;&nbsp; NonP Page</FONT> \
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-04-07_0844&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1620 \
1500512&nbsp;&nbsp; 33292 1427500 1427604&nbsp;&nbsp; 792864&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
4&nbsp;&nbsp; 26</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-04-14_1231&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1620&nbsp; 550240&nbsp; \
216160&nbsp; 476556&nbsp; 476660&nbsp;&nbsp; 142387&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; \
26</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-05-15_0729&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
2784&nbsp;&nbsp; 25080&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2472&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
716&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 716&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 660&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
3&nbsp;&nbsp; 24</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-06-01_2054&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5876&nbsp;&nbsp; \
25080&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2408&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 716&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
716&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 647&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 24</FONT> \
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-06-15_2137&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4236&nbsp; \
157032&nbsp;&nbsp; 76088&nbsp;&nbsp; 73720&nbsp;&nbsp; 73824&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
27827&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 26</FONT> </P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>and for the osirism process (running on this machine):</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>2004-02-03_0745&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1676&nbsp;&nbsp; \
33784&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3436&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4952&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1680&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 14585&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1680</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-02-24_2216&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1800&nbsp;&nbsp; \
33784&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3976&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5056&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1392&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11215&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1392</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-03-05_0851&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1800&nbsp;&nbsp; \
93176&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2392&nbsp;&nbsp; 40668&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
3824&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 82000&nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
3824</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-03-06_1126&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1652&nbsp;&nbsp; \
33784&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3948&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6592&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1248&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 15795&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1248</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-03-11_0758&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1552&nbsp;&nbsp; \
31656&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4232&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5888&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1552&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 19452&nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp;&nbsp; 29&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1552</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-03-17_0735&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3592&nbsp; \
287780&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3336&nbsp; 103980&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5236&nbsp;&nbsp; \
120738&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5236</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-04-05_0809&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1640&nbsp; 287780&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
3212&nbsp; 103624&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3592&nbsp;&nbsp; 551620&nbsp;&nbsp; \
13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3592</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>2004-04-07_0844&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1640&nbsp; 287780&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3084&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3592&nbsp; \
150528&nbsp;&nbsp; 558114&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-04-14_1231&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1640&nbsp;&nbsp; 43044&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2544&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1808&nbsp;&nbsp; \
12016&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 41123&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28</FONT> \
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>2004-05-15_0729&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1652&nbsp; 156712&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3056&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2476&nbsp;&nbsp; \
74380&nbsp;&nbsp; 174226&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 28</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-06-01_2054&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1652&nbsp; 157736&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2696&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3320&nbsp;&nbsp; \
74380&nbsp;&nbsp; 260749&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 36</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>2004-06-15_2137&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
1652&nbsp; 156712&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2988&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4036&nbsp;&nbsp; \
74380&nbsp;&nbsp; 324913&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 13&nbsp;&nbsp; 36</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>this is with osiris 3.0.4 that was installed on march 13th, before \
osiris 3.0.0 was running on this server.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>osirism is not a \
problem, but osirisd does grows steadily over time, see 1.5 GB Virtual Memory on \
April 7th.</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; Peter.Frey@haufe.de wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Hi,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; we have a problem with the memory consumption of the \
osiris scanner </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; process (osirisd.exe) on our \
windows systems.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; This is with osiris 4.0.1 (in \
production), but can also be </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; observered </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; with osiris 4.0.3 (test environment)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; For example:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; after run 1:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Private Bytes:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
52.312</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Working \
Set:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 54.788</FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; after run 2:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Private Bytes:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
103.556</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Working \
Set:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 106.068</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; \
&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; After each run the working set and private \
bytes count (according to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; ProcessExplorer) grows \
+50 KBytes,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; the only way to get the scanner back to \
normal is by restarting it.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Is this a known problem?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Also, is it possible to do an auto-restart of the osiris \
</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; scanner e.g. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; after each successfull scan,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; to get rid of this memory overhead (that can grow to \
MBytes on long </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; running production systems)?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; Peter</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; \
----------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT> \
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; --</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; osiris mailing list</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/osiris" \
TARGET="_blank">https://lists.shmoo.com/mailman/listinfo/osiris</A></FONT> <BR><FONT \
SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian Wotring ( brian@shmoo.com \
)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PGP KeyID: \
0x9674763D</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; _______________________________________________</FONT>
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