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From: "Gert-Jan van der Weijden" <gert-jan () osgeo ! nl>
Date: 2014-09-19 19:45:50
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Thanks Cameron, this really helps!
I made a small adjustment so that all suggested option now have there
advantages listed first, followed by their disadvantages. Makes it a bit
more neutral.
Personally I would leave out the "voting" sections in this stage (comments
are OK). Just listing the options, advantages & disadvantages seems enough
for now. By the time the're sort of complete, the votes may enter the stage.
(just a thought, I kept the votings in the wiki page anyway)
regards,
Gert-Jan
Van: discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org
[mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Cameron Shorter
Verzonden: vrijdag 19 september 2014 14:43
Aan: Steven Feldman
CC: <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>; conference; OSGeo-Board
Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
Ok, first draft of wiki page is here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Options_2014
Please feel free to improve the text, or insert your comments / votes.
On 19/09/2014 6:14 pm, Steven Feldman wrote:
Am I the only person who finds it difficult to follow a thread in a mailing
list where postings get repeated continuously as the thread is replied to
(let alone our tendency to post across several lists - mea culpa)?
Dare I suggest that we seek a simpler and clearer forum for this discussion?
I’m not suggesting abandoning the lists just using a better tool for a
discussion in which we want to engage a lot of people.
______
Steven
On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:37, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter@gmail.com> wrote:
I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want to
get some input from the charter members, it should be more active and
structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with google
forms
Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo future,
but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has "some"
functions, can be decide who it should be organised without knowing,
what we want to do?
J
2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde@osgis.nl>:
Hey Jachym,
wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what options we have to
"professionalize" FOSS4G organising?
And you were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ?
Also, I think it makes sense to create some content in a Wiki first, and use
that content to create a questionnaire. It's hard to create a good
questionnaire from scratch if the solutions haven't been discussed in detail
and worked on by multiple people IMHO.
Best regards,
Bart
On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky@gmail.com> wrote:
I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have IMHO
more valuable output
?
J
Send from cellphone
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On Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shorter@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G future,
with sections that people can add comments into.
I should have something up for review and contributions within 24 hours.
On 18/09/2014 7:04 PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
Dear All
I agree completely with Margherita. The most of people are asking
themselves what it is happening.
Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what has
happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter members
vote.
Maria
Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli
Vice Rector for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano
Public Participation GIS: a FOSS architecture enabling field-data
collection
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnib
F
ISPRS WG IV/5 "Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications" -
Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - SIFET
Scientific Commitee Member
Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO (ITALIA)
Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. +39-031-3327321
e-mail1: maria.brovelli@polimi.it
e-mail2: prorettrice@como.polimi.it
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Inviato: giovedě 18 settembre 2014 10.13
A: Jachym Cepicky
Cc: <mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org> <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>; conference;
osgeo-board List; Steven
Feldman
Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling charter members
Dear All,
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Jachym Cepicky
<mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky@gmail.com> wrote:
Just noting,
discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is here
since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it
(actually including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo
.. or LocationTech.
It's just actually boring topic. We are community of (mostly)
developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in this
case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now
we are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole
community, because of this IMHO *is* important topic - two big
organisations are trying to find a way, how to cooperate in the future
for better free and open source software for geospatial! This is good.
If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's position.
If anyone is wondering why most charter members remained silent about the
topic, here i can offer my 2 cents..
It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all the
elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally followed
the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. Another
thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I believe)
not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members is
being called to express their opinion. What does it mean "to cooperate" and
what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a case by case
cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the FOSS4G event
at stake here?
Thanks for any pointers
--
Best regards,
Dr. Margherita DI LEO
Scientific / technical project officer
European Commission - DG JRC
Institute for Environment and Sustainability (IES)
Via Fermi, 2749
I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP 261
Tel. +39 0332 78 3600
margherita.di-leo@jrc.ec.europa.eu
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in any circumstance be regarded as stating an official position of the
European Commission.
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I would leave out the "voting" sections in this stage (comments are OK). \
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discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>Namens \
</b>Cameron Shorter<br><b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 19 september 2014 \
14:43<br><b>Aan:</b> Steven Feldman<br><b>CC:</b> <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>; \
conference; OSGeo-Board<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Polling \
charter members<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal \
style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Ok, first draft of wiki page is here:<br><a \
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Options_2014">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conference_Options_2014</a><br><br>Please \
feel free to improve the text, or insert your comments / votes.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p \
class=MsoNormal>On 19/09/2014 6:14 pm, Steven Feldman \
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style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Am I the only person \
who finds it difficult to follow a thread in a mailing list where postings get \
repeated continuously as the thread is replied to (let alone our tendency to post \
across several lists - mea culpa)? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dare I suggest \
that we seek a simpler and clearer forum for this discussion? I’m not \
suggesting abandoning the lists just using a better tool for a discussion in which we \
want to engage a lot of people.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span \
class=apple-style-span><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>______</span></span><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><span \
class=apple-style-span>Steven</span><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 Sep 2014, at \
02:37, Cameron Shorter <<a \
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal>I would agree on that, to start in the wiki. But think, if we want \
to<br>get some input from the charter members, it should be more active \
and<br>structured effort - therefore I propose continue then with \
google<br>forms<br><br>Another question: of course, I'm talking about goals and OSGeo \
future,<br>but FOSS4G is one of OSGeo's most important event, it has \
"some"<br>functions, can be decide who it should be organised without \
knowing,<br>what we want to do?<br><br>J<br><br>2014-09-19 8:32 GMT+02:00 Bart van \
den Eijnden <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">bartvde@osgis.nl</a>>:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal>Hey Jachym,<br><br>wasn't Cameron referring specifically to what \
options we have to<br>"professionalize" FOSS4G organising?<br><br>And you \
were talking more about OSGeo's goals etc. ?<br><br>Also, I think it makes sense to \
create some content in a Wiki first, and use<br>that content to create a \
questionnaire. It's hard to create a good<br>questionnaire from scratch if the \
solutions haven't been discussed in detail<br>and worked on by multiple people \
IMHO.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Bart<br><br>On 19 Sep 2014, at 08:02, Jachym Cepicky \
<<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br><br>I proposed to prepare Google forms for that in other thread. Could have \
IMHO<br>more valuable output<br><br>?<br><br>J<br><br>Send from \
cellphone<br><br>--<br>Jachym Cepicky<br>e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com<br>URL: <a \
href="http://les-ejk.cz">http://les-ejk.cz</a><br>GPG: <a \
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your code freedom with PyWPS -<a \
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Sep 19, 2014 3:38 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a \
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><br>I'll volunteer to start a wiki collating options for the FOSS4G \
future,<br>with sections that people can add comments into.<br>I should have \
something up for review and contributions within 24 hours.<br><br>On 18/09/2014 7:04 \
PM, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:<br><br>Dear All<br>I agree completely with \
Margherita. The most of people are asking<br>themselves what it is \
happening.<br>Please who was and is involved, please write the history of what \
has<br>happened on a wiki page. When the plot is finalised the charter \
members<br>vote.<br>Maria<br><br><br><br>Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>Vice Rector \
for Como Campus - Politecnico di Milano<br><br>Public Participation GIS: a FOSS \
architecture enabling field-data<br>collection<br><br><a \
href="http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF">h \
ttp://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17538947.2014.887150#.UwPVuIVnibF</a><br><br><br><br>ISPRS \
WG IV/5 "Web and Cloud Based Geospatial Services and Applications" \
-<br>Co-chair - OSGeo Charter Member - ICA - OSGeo Advisory Board Member - \
SIFET<br>Scientific Commitee Member<br><br><br><br>Via Natta, 12/14 - 22100 COMO \
(ITALIA)<br>Tel. +39-031-3327336 - Mob. +39-328-0023867 - fax. \
+39-031-3327321<br>e-mail1: <a \
href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a><br>e-mail2: <a \
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per<br>conto di Margherita Di Leo <a \
href="mailto:diregola@gmail.com"><diregola@gmail.com></a><br>Inviato: giovedě \
18 settembre 2014 10.13<br>A: Jachym Cepicky<br>Cc: <a \
href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><discuss@lists.osgeo.org></a>; \
conference; osgeo-board List; Steven<br>Feldman<br>Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] \
[Board] Polling charter members<br><br>Dear All,<br><br>On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51 \
PM, Jachym Cepicky<br><a \
href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com"><jachym.cepicky@gmail.com></a> \
wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Just \
noting,<br><br>discussion about relationship between LocationTech and OSGeo is \
here<br>since 2012 (IIRC). That many people did not pain attention to it<br>(actually \
including myself up to certain time), is not fault of OSGeo<br>.. or \
LocationTech.<br><br>It's just actually boring topic. We are community of \
(mostly)<br>developers and users of FOSS4G (not conference, but software in \
this<br>case). This sounds like politics .. who would pay attention? So, now<br>we \
are here, things are happening, we can finally talk to whole<br>community, because of \
this IMHO *is* important topic - two big<br>organisations are trying to find a way, \
how to cooperate in the future<br>for better free and open source software for \
geospatial! This is good.<br>If for nothing else, then for clarifying OSGeo's \
position.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>If anyone is wondering why most \
charter members remained silent about the<br>topic, here i can offer my 2 \
cents..<br>It is true that this is a long story, but it's hard to find all \
the<br>elements needed for judgement. I'd ask those that have personally \
followed<br>the steps, to kindly fill a wiki page with the most important facts. \
Another<br>thing is that, for those that couldn't make it at FOSS4G, it is (I \
believe)<br>not easy to understand on what exactly the community of charter members \
is<br>being called to express their opinion. What does it mean "to \
cooperate" and<br>what does it imply for the organizations involved? Is it a \
case by case<br>cooperation what you're talking about? why it looks like is the \
FOSS4G event<br>at stake here?<br><br>Thanks for any pointers<br><br><br>--<br>Best \
regards,<br><br>Dr. Margherita DI LEO<br>Scientific / technical project \
officer<br><br>European Commission - DG JRC<br>Institute for Environment and \
Sustainability (IES)<br>Via Fermi, 2749<br>I-21027 Ispra (VA) - Italy - TP \
261<br><br>Tel. +39 0332 78 3600<br><a \
href="mailto:margherita.di-leo@jrc.ec.europa.eu">margherita.di-leo@jrc.ec.europa.eu</a><br><br>Disclaimer: \
The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may not<br>in any circumstance \
be regarded as stating an official position of the<br>European \
Commission.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Discuss \
mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.osgeo.org">Discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a \
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Shorter,<br>Software and Data Solutions Manager<br>LISAsoft<br>Suite 112, Jones Bay \
Wharf,<br>26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<br><br>P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a \
href="http://www.lisasoft.com">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 \
5099<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal \
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