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List:       opensuse-factory
Subject:    Re: [Leap] Why "Mesa", "Alsa" and "Cups" in Server Role (400 Mb)
From:       Simon Lees <sflees () suse ! de>
Date:       2023-08-23 1:40:59
Message-ID: 58d4a18e-f3d4-9add-b864-1dab6e67070b () suse ! de
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On 8/22/23 00:22, Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory wrote:
> For sure we can open a request here to revisit Server role
> https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features/new_issue
> 
> However, seems like we inherit all system roles from SLES
> 
> Example:
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Leap:15.5/system-role-server-default
> 
> Any experimenting with patterns/roles where we would diverge from SLES
> would be against the current ideology of Leap. Better way would be to
> push the change to SLES first, but  I am afraid that changing
> packageset installed with particular system role one SP before the very
> last planned one is bit too late.
> 
> It's definitely topic for next-gen, when we'll have free hands as ALP
> base that we plan to build up on does not consist of any desktop.
> 
> Also if you care about space usage, why not to try Leap Micro?

In terms of the contents of the server pattern more broadly, we 
currently also offer a "Minimal/Custom" role which already fills the 
need for people who want less then the server role. I think making the 
server role much smaller will probably bring it too close to the minimal 
role.

> 
> On Thu, 2023-08-17 at 20:01 +0000, Walddys Emmanuel Dorrejo Céspedes
> wrote:
>> It appears that my previous explanation may not have been clear, or I
>> might not have expressed myself adequately.
>>
>> SysAdmins who set up the openSUSE Leap/Tumbleweed Server Role do not,
>> by default, install a print server. Typically, someone will configure
>> an APACHE/NGINX web server instead.
>>
>> Including a print server is not within the scope of the out-of-the-
>> box experience for a Server Role. Initially, SysAdmins seek a simple
>> and secure Server Role, as provided by openSUSE. Adding unnecessary
>> packages during the default setup could lead to wastage of space.
>>
>> CUPS introduces MESA, which in turn brings in more unnecessary
>> packages. These additional packages serve no practical purpose and
>> might only cause inconvenience or security vulnerabilities. If the
>> service activates due to an error, it could potentially compromise
>> the system's security posture.
>>
>> By default, a Server Role comes with the necessary setup and
>> configuration for security, but the SysAdmin is responsible for
>> setting up additional services that the system can offer.
>>
>> OpenSUSE Leap/Tumbleweed is the most complete distro, offering
>> everything that users could love and appreciate in a distribution.
>> Removing those little packages is more of a bonus than keeping them.
> 

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