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Subject:    Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Why openSUSE uses KDE by default?
From:       Todd Rme <toddrme2178 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2017-04-14 18:22:20
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Michal Suchanek <msuchanek@suse.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:11:56 -0400
> Todd Rme <toddrme2178@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:20 AM, R=C3=BCdiger Meier <sweet_f_a@gmx.de>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/14/2017 04:07 PM, Luca Beltrame wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Il giorno Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:19:54 +0200
>> >> R=C3=BCdiger Meier <sweet_f_a@gmx.de> ha scritto:
>> >>
>> >>> Moreover if ktorrent and other mentioned programs would be
>> >>> developed independently then one could just easily try out a
>> >>> newer (probably
>> >
>> >
>> >> You *can* do that already. You don't need to install Plasma to run
>> >> ktorrent.
>> >>
>> >> And they're developed independently. In particular, ktorrent is
>> >> part of the "extragear" group of applications, meaning that they
>> >> have their own release schedule and their own pace of development.
>> >> They have no ties with either Frameworks, Plasma, or
>> >> Applications.
>> >
>> >
>> > I've just tried for fun to install ktorrent and gave up after 30
>> > minutes. I don't think there is a way to install it without many
>> > other deps from the kde project. There is no documentation about
>> > what dependencies are needed. I can only run cmake again and again,
>> > downloading and installing more and more deps from KDE and hoping
>> > that finally it would not complain anymore. I'd say it does not
>> > look like ktorrent is made for users who simply wants to install a
>> > torrent client quickly.
>> >
>> > Maybe people who are familiar with the KDE tree like you may manage
>> > this faster than me, for me it's too painful.
>>
>> The dependencies are listed in CMakeLists.txt, and they all seem like
>> pretty straightforward things that something like ktorrent would need.
>>
>> But when it comes to building from source, generally it is easier to
>> use kdesrc-build, which handles all of that for you.  GNOME has
>> something similar called Jhbuild. Lots of projects have similar tools
>> to make dependency handling easier.
>>
>> This isn't a particular issue with KDE, any useful piece of software
>> will require multiple dependencies. I don't see why you think projects
>> that are part of the KDE community are particularly bad in this
>> regard. On the contrary, a lot of work has been going on to limit the
>> dependencies of KDE software to only what is really needed.
>>
>> >> Other examples include yakuake, konversation, labplot...
>> >
>> > Haven't checked them but I know also two good examples qcachegrind
>> > and troijta which have no kde but only Qt deps. Still the fact that
>> > they are hosted on kde.org makes them suspect to me (the "trust"
>> > thing). I'm using qcachegrind (no alternative) but I would not use
>> > troijta, since it was moved to KDE in 2012.
>>
>> So you are saying you explicitly distrust anything and everything that
>> is part of the KDE community, merely based on the fact that they
>> choose to associate with that community?
>
> Given the quality of software delivered by the project over the years?
>
> Totally.
>
> My guess is the average quality of anything k* is below the average of
> random piece of software downloaded off the interwebz.
>
> That's been my experience over the years trying some k* applications or
> the whole DE from time to time.

Oh please, this is wrong to the point of being trolling. Quite a lot
of KDE applications (such as k3b, Digikam, Kate, kstars, marble,
cantor, and KDE Connect) are considered the best of their type on
Linux, and some, like Krita, are considered the best of their type on
any platform. And it is not like g* software is uniformly
top-of-its-class. Some KDE versions of programs are better, some GNOME
versions of programs are better, and for some it is a matter of
personal preference.

But to claim "the average quality of anything k* is below the average
of random piece of software downloaded off the interwebz" is just
blatantly false.

>  It is probably aggravated by the sponging up
> of applications and renaming them k*.

Such as...?

> It is hard to let the thing go and
> not getting connected with it when it starts going under once you made
> it obvious part of the DE.

Again, such as...?
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