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List:       opensuse-factory
Subject:    Re: [opensuse-factory][YaST:] partitioner (was: highlights of development sprint 15)
From:       Felix Miata <mrmazda () earthlink ! net>
Date:       2016-02-25 21:46:06
Message-ID: 56CF761E.3040301 () earthlink ! net
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Ancor Gonzalez Sosa composed on 2016-02-25 17:26 (UTC+0100):

> jdd wrote:

>>> may be it's the moment to bring this up?

> I agree that part needs some love but...

>> I just got a new test with Leap,

>> of the three options, the first (Edit Proposal Settings) is of no use
>> there, and it's repeated on Create Partition Setup
> 
> It offers a fast and easy way to select the default filesystem, to
> choose if you want a separate /home partition. I believe it's quite
> used, in fact.

>> Expert Partitioner

>> is not really for expert, as it simply shows the present situation *and
>> mount points filled*, so it simply is a "Edit proposal Settings"

> The expert partitioner allows you to create/resize/delete partitions, to
> define encryption, software RAID, LVM... Almost the opposite of "not for
> experts" or "simply shows the present situation".

>> Create Partition Setup

>> first option: use disk:
> 
> It's true that you can also reach the proposal settings from here. But I
> think there are some non-obvious differences.
> 
>> second option: true expert place

> This takes you to the same point than "expert partitioner". Why is this
> the "true" real expert place compared to the previous one? Is the same
> dialog with the same options.

Had I found it possible to use "Expert Partitioner" to do what I wished,
there would have been no incentive for me to have filed these:

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547703 (filed 2009)
https://features.opensuse.org/308150 (score 4)

It's been a long time since I've selected "Expert Partitioner" except by
accident, so I have no recollection what problem(s) or differences I found,
or not. "Create Partition Setup" -> "Custom Partitioning (for experts)" has
been the only way for me to get where I want to go. It's ironic that this is
necessary, because I *always* wish to do no partitioning at all. All I ever
actually want to do is specify mount points and mount options for the
partitions that I have *always* during past couple of decades configured in
advance of intializing any operating system installation.

Mageia makes what I want easy, via installation cmdline startup option
"readonly=1". Using it presents a "partitioning" screen that does this
exactly, lists only native-type partitions with input field for mount point,
with no confusing options or additional screens regarding actions leading to
any partition table changes.
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Mdv/mgaReadonly1s2.png

>> so two possibility (among many):

>> * very simple: just edit the first screen mockup, remove the menu entry
>> "Edit Proposal Settings", change the menu entry "Expert Partitioner" to
>> the name "Edit Proposal Settings". So two options in place of three...

>> * much more work: do the first point, then rethink the "Create Partition
>> Setup", select hard disk and go next (without selecting expert). This
>> would need much more discussion, not fitted here and much more work.

>> this makes expert seems to be a step more deep (but it was already
>> there). Anyway no expert mode should be too easily accessible.

>> (did not look at TW. Is your new work visible on some TW version?)

> In short. Yes, this needs to be improved but we need a better analysis
> about the available options and why are they there. They are clearly
> counterintuitive, since I honestly think you misunderstood most of them. ;-)

> To late for this sprint (already started yesterday)... but maybe for the
> next one.

Shouldn't be too late. URLs above are >5 years old, former created somewhere
around the time of this thread starter:
https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-10/msg00019.html

My personal archive of that thread contains 78 posts. It's OP at that point
had a computer using history of more than two decades.
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