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Subject:    Re: [opensuse] Re: Why are systemd's logs stored as binaries?
From:       "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas () telefonica ! net>
Date:       2016-12-23 22:05:00
Message-ID: b111b106-78c4-e1f5-802b-1988833ac893 () telefonica ! net
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On 2016-12-23 21:40, John Andersen wrote:
> On 12/23/2016 03:44 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2016-12-22 21:53, L A Walsh wrote:
>>> Anton Aylward wrote:
>>>> On 12/22/2016 09:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:



>>> But they are all still readable using "more"...
>> 
>>> To ask that such info be readable only 2 years in the future,
>>> is a *ridiculously* small amount.  To call wanting such,
>>> ridiculous by any measure is just naive, ridiculous or senile
>>> (having forgotten that such basic needs were met ages ago by
>>> the previous log system, but now need to be re-invented w/a new
>>> log system).  Remember, by default journald was designed for
>>> volatile storage, w/working store on SSD's.  Not your typical
>>> logging system.
>> 
>> Thanks. Yes, that is so.
>> 
>> Journal brings wanted features, like data integrity (I doubt it,
>> but nevertheless lets accepts it does have it). Ie, it guarantees
>> that the data has not being altered and that it was issued by the
>> parties it says, not faked. Well, to be of use to a party that
>> needs to keep logs (legally or not), it also has to prove that it
>> can be accessed in a number of years and that it can be backed
>> up. If the data has to be dumped to text the integrity is
>> broken.
>> 
>> 
> 
> But journald is just the first destination of log messages Carlos,
> as you have pointed out in other posts.

No, not so. I use another destination because journal doesn't fill my
bill, which negates the advantages of the journal.

> 
> It is not intended, nor does it pretend to provide a single
> solution.  You and others have pointed out how to short circuit it
> to any other logging engine, for those special case situations
> where ISPs or such need legal logs.
> 
> So once again TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT.
> 
> And no, there is no legal requirement in any country that states
> logs lose authenticity simply because they were dumped to text.
> You made that up!!

You see in Greg response how wrong you are in this, so I will not bother.

- -- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.

  (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
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