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Subject:    Re: [opensuse] Re: Why are systemd's logs stored as binaries?
From:       "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas () telefonica ! net>
Date:       2016-12-23 11:44:25
Message-ID: 06ad1d7d-0995-76c2-5c2d-e61c2649b4eb () telefonica ! net
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On 2016-12-22 21:53, L A Walsh wrote:
> Anton Aylward wrote:
>> On 12/22/2016 09:07 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> 
>>> Is it reliable? Can we trust the journal to work and not loose 
>>> anything in, say, two years time, even after upgrades?
>>> 
>> 
>> You've descended into the stage of a ridiculous argument,
>> Carlos.
>> 
> --- Not really.  He points out that ng-syslogd already logs to
> binary in a way that can be read by current DB viewers.
> 
> So far, journeld has no tool support as it was designed from
> scratch providing no or limited compatibility.  For example,
> someone may want to keep logs related to logins going back 3 years,
> but not everything else.
> 
> I have specific logs going back insanely log... squid logs back to
> 2010, for example.  I see some old spamd logs from 2009 -- gotta
> clean these out..
> 
> But they are all still readable using "more"...
> 
> To ask that such info be readable only 2 years in the future, is a 
> *ridiculously* small amount.  To call wanting such, ridiculous by
> any measure is just naive, ridiculous or senile (having forgotten
> that such basic needs were met ages ago by the previous log system,
> but now need to be re-invented w/a new log system).  Remember, by
> default journald was designed for volatile storage, w/working store
> on SSD's.  Not your typical logging system.

Thanks. Yes, that is so.

Journal brings wanted features, like data integrity (I doubt it, but
nevertheless lets accepts it does have it). Ie, it guarantees that the
data has not being altered and that it was issued by the parties it
says, not faked. Well, to be of use to a party that needs to keep logs
(legally or not), it also has to prove that it can be accessed in a
number of years and that it can be backed up. If the data has to be
dumped to text the integrity is broken.


- -- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.

  (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
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