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List:       opensuse
Subject:    Re: [opensuse] Off Topic - remote back up site in UK
From:       ianseeks <ianseeks () yahoo ! co ! uk>
Date:       2016-03-18 20:08:48
Message-ID: 3566347.GF1BFLkiKZ () lianli
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On Thursday, 17 March 2016 16:46:57 GMT Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:50 AM, ianseeks <ianseeks@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:28:56 GMT Greg Freemyer wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:18 PM, ianseeks <ianseeks@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, 16 March 2016 14:20:39 GMT Greg Freemyer wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:10 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> >> >> > On 03/16/2016 09:39 AM, ianseeks wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Does anyone know where is could find a company/site that will allow
> >> >> >> me
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> store backups off site via rsync or sftp?  I couldn't see anything
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> dropbox that would do me.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Regards
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Ian
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Why do you care exactly what method is used for backups?
> >> >> > How much do you need to be stored off-site?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Personally, I use SpiderOak, who have clients for Windows and Linux
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > Mac. I thought I would need a boat load of storage, so I started
> >> >> > with a
> >> >> > 100 GiG subscription. I back up Two Linux machines and two Windows
> >> >> > machines, selecting specific critical directories, (I don't back up
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > operating systems), but a  users directories as well as financial
> >> >> > data,
> >> >> > software source code and build environments, etc.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > It turns out that these 4 machines account for just over 8 Gig.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > I use Spideraok in Backup mode, not data sync mode. Some might call
> >> >> > this a
> >> >> > contribution mode, where each changed file is backed up and can be
> >> >> > rolled
> >> >> > back incrementally, and user deleted files still remain in the
> >> >> > backup.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > In spite of this redundancy, It still uses only 8Gig.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > I also use rsync (via Unison) to another machine across town in our
> >> >> > other
> >> >> > office.
> >> >> 
> >> >> It's so small because SpiderOak dedups the data before calculating the
> >> >> size.  It also may compress the data before it calculates the size.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I have a lot more data than John, but I'm still below the 100GB point.
> >> >> 
> >> >> They no longer have a 100GB price point:
> >> >> 
> >> >> https://spideroak.com/about/price-list
> >> >> 
> >> >> Instead:
> >> >> 
> >> >> 30 GB - $7/month
> >> >> 1 TB - $12/month
> >> >> 
> >> >> I've been a SpiderOak user for what seems like 10 years (and maybe
> >> >> really
> >> >> is).
> >> >> 
> >> >> Early on it took forever to backup 10's of GBs (ie. a month for
> >> >> 100GB?).
> >> >> 
> >> >> Now I can restore a 50GB share in less than 24 hours.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Greg
> >> > 
> >> > Thanks, had a quick look at it but i can't see if its got a UK hosted
> >> > service or sftp/rsync access.
> >> 
> >> No it doesn't offer either.
> >> 
> >> SpiderOak is all inclusive backup service.  You get their "Fedora" RPM
> >> and install it as I recall.
> >> 
> >> It does fine with openSUSE.  They also have a Mac and Windows client.
> >> 
> >> It establishes a secure/encrypted connection back to their servers and
> >> does the backup similar to how rsync works.
> >> 
> >> A 2GB account is free so you can test with it.
> >> 
> >> I use the "sync" feature to keep 6 different folder trees in sync
> >> across about 15 machines.  Most are powered on several times a week so
> >> they have time to get the updates.  I have about 80GB in the cloud
> >> with them.
> >> 
> >> Greg
> > 
> > Thanks Greg.  Is it only a GUI based solution or can it be activated on
> > demand in a script without input or does it have its own "cron" type
> > function?  I'm trying to find a solution i can use without installing
> > software from external sources but if that's not possible, i'll have to
> > bite the bullet.
> 
> There is a GUI, but also CLI commands.
> 
> https://spideroak.com/faq/how-can-i-use-spideroak-from-the-command-line
> 
> I've only ever done the setup and restores via the GUI, but CLI looks
> very functional.
> 
> I've created a small cron script to start the backup.  I think I used
> the --headless option to so it would just run in the background.
> 
> The design is for it to run continuously in the background.  It uses
> inotify (man inotify) to see what files are being changed and it
> immediately queues the changes up to send them to the cloud.  If you
> change 100 MB of files, it might be 5 or 10 minutes before it gets
> them all updated in the cloud.  I would not use it in that mode for a
> database file.
> 
> Anyway, on a CIFS server in the past I've had SpiderOak launched at
> bootup via cron via the "@reboot" timestamp.
> 
> Alternatively you could set it up as a systemd service.
> 
> If you just have it running to backup a single account, you could put
> it in .profile (etc) and just have it run while the user is logged in.
> 
> Greg
Thanks Greg, sounds like a possible solution for me.

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