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Subject:    Re: [opensuse] KMail rants;  (was:KDE ~ and, ...)
From:       Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister () gmx ! net>
Date:       2012-09-17 9:41:47
Message-ID: 1790635.km1gomTsjq () linux-ydd0 ! site
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Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012, 16:44:32 schrieb Rajko:
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:00:13 +0200
> 
> Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@gmx.net> wrote:
> > E-Mails are stored in folders as before.
> 
> Nice. Let me post my search for those files.

<snip unnecessarily complicated search>

Just open KDE's systemsettings > Personal Information > akonadi and check the 
paths of the resources. Keep in mind that Maildir might store emails in 
"hidden" folders, i.e. .xyz.
 
> Add to that what was mentioned in last email:
> * UI defaults that break power user workflow ie. mail lists thread
>   handling; which adds list of items to manually set up.

I use mailinglist in threaded mode, so I guess I am no power user. All I had 
to do was View > Aggregate and select current activity, grouped. (translated)

> * one has to customize UI on each new installation; somehow kmailrc
>   from old installation will not transfer all UI settings.

Your computer does not like you. I did not have to do that. Maybe because 
kmailrc is for kmail1 and not kmail2. Hence moving kmailrc does not help if 
you want your settings for kmail2.

> * default to remove mails from server, which was good 10 years ago, but
>   not now. Companies are offering gigabytes per account, so one can
>   keep emails forever. Problem is when you set up kmail in the
>   VirtualBox and once you forget to set cleanup after 7 day; it vacuums
>   your account and you have to look elsewhere to find your emails.

Abusing POP3? If you want emails on the server use IMAP and not a POP3 
workaround. You are using an "old" mail account and want it to act "modern". 
Reality is that there is "new" account type that acts "modern" instead.

> * complicated import that is extremely slow; it takes hours to
>   complete. I found reference somewhere that it takes 1 second per

I found reference somewhere that it does not.

>   email. I have in opensuse@opensuse.org 11000 emails since last year.
>   That is 11000 seconds, or 183 minutes, or 3 hours to migrate. My old
>   kmail opensuse folder was much bigger.
> * for those that have mix of mbox and maildir folders that slow import
>   is 2 pass process.

Might be, did not try that mix for a long time. Maildir is kmail's standard 
format. I guess it should have never allowed any mixing.

> I had such setup because it was taking few seconds to open folder, with
> a lot of messages, in maildir format, and fraction of the second for
> mbox. Later, for some reason, new folders were created in maildir
> format, and as new folder with not much emails in it is fast to open I
> did not figure out that mailbox is no more default. When I found out it
> was too much work to convert, so left that as is, with first major
> problem when new KMail2 arrived.

May well be, though moving mails from one folder to another does not seem that 
much work.

> To be honest, I'm missing some stuff that I was used to, like:
> * mark thread as read in 1-click,

I can do that with one click on a keyboard button. Maybe I am a power user in 
the end.

> * find messages marked as important, todo, etc

? Set-up a search and you will have that list in the folder tree (Search), 
automatically updated. Or use the filter on top of the message list. Not sure 
if the latter exists for the kmail1-like outdated message list aka classic. It 
does however for the new one.

> * custom folder icons,
> * recent addresses,

? Have you disabled nepomuk? Works for me.

> * nicely formatted header,

The header did not change since ages, i.e. kmail1 times. But maybe you mean 
something different.

> and probably few more.
> 
> With Claws Mail I have application that just works from one
> installation to the other and migration is more then simple.
> No more fiddling and manual interventions, that I always had with
> KMail.

That's perfectly fine but please do not spread wrong claims like: with kmail2 
emails are stored in a db etc.

Sven
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