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Subject:    Re: [opensuse] grub no longer being maintained? so Suse drops support
From:       "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas () telefonica ! net>
Date:       2009-06-16 22:22:47
Message-ID: alpine.LSU.2.00.0906170011040.4094 () nimrodel ! valinor
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On Tuesday, 2009-06-16 at 16:09 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> On 2009/06/16 21:47 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
>
>> I find that shell impossible to use without printed instructions by the
>> side. The first dificulty being that I have to translate linux names like
>> hdc5 to the equivalent grub name.
>
> One who has not taken the trouble to learn this translation scheme would
> obviously need a cheat sheet of some kind, but that learning is something I
> would expect an average 9 year old to be able to pick up and remember in less
> than 30 minutes of instruction, self-taught or otherwise. Maybe I'm giving
> the 9 year old too much credit, and maybe it is different for those whose
> native language is not English, but remembering /dev device c == Grub device
> 2 and /dev partition 5 == Grub partition 4 is just not a problem for me.

Maybe for you it is no problem, but for me, with many years of experience 
in computing, it is a problem. It is a developer system, not a user 
system, because the index is zero based, not 1 - for starters. Partition 5 
should be #5, no "maths".

If I were setting up systems often, I'd remember. But I'm not. When I have 
to do it, a year after the last time, I don't remember if it is zero based 
or one based, or how do I differentiate the MBR from the partition, or 
what is the path for the kernel, the image, or what magic options do I 
have to feed the kernel so that it boots correctly. Or which of the dozens 
of partitions I have is root or boot, and for which of the several systems 
I have.

If instead of the shell it presented me with the menu.lst file so that I 
could edit it, then _that_ would be way more useful, because almost always 
I know what change is not working before hand. And if not, in the file I 
have my notes to guide me.

So, no, the grub shell is useless to me. I have to boot a rescue system 
and edit the config file instead.

- -- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E. R.

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