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Subject: Re: Goodbye
From: Dan Kegel <dank () kegel ! com>
Date: 2020-07-04 19:38:55
Message-ID: CAPF-yOYh0tn5KNVX123p-rDyBv6GxL8hM2AYkzzEHDEMSQXsnw () mail ! gmail ! com
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There's nothing wrong with being inclusive. Buildbot
was not harmed by removing the word 'slave' from
its codebase.
- Dan
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:33 PM Donald R Laster Jr <don_sfw@dlaster.com>
wrote:
> Dan,
>
> The words "slave" and "master" have no negative or positive
> connotations in relation to software or even hardware. They are simply
> description of the purpose/function of the software or hardware.
>
> As I said this is nothing but classic political correctness. People
> need to stop being offended at things which are not offensive. This is no
> different than someone getting offended at the use of the words "servant"
> and "master", or "boss" and "employee", or "parent" and "child". Changing
> the software and documentation simply because someone does not like the use
> of appropriate terms is a waste of time. And likely to create problems in
> the future due to changes that serve no purpose.
>
> Don
>
> Dan Kegel wrote on 07/04/2020 02:09 PM:
> > It might be worth reminding folks of
> > https://www.openssl.org/community/conduct.html
> > which says
> > "We strive to be an open and inclusive community where anyone can
> contribute."
> > - Dan
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM Donald R Laster Jr <don_sfw@dlaster.com
> <mailto:don_sfw@dlaster.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Having just noticed the last 4 or 5 emails related to this thread I
> have to say this is classic political correctness garbage.
> > Don
> >
> > Dan Kegel wrote on 07/04/2020 11:35 AM:
> > > Likewise. Thank you, Rich!
> > >
> > > When this issue came up in Buildbot 5 years ago, there was a fair
> bit of... discussion, see
> > > http://trac.buildbot.net/ticket/2340
> > > The resolution back then was to rename 'slave' to 'worker', which
> was a LOT of
> > > work, and seemed to satisfy everybody at the time.
> > > It came up again recently, see
> > > https://github.com/buildbot/buildbot/issues/5382
> > > and they're now looking at whether and how to address the word
> 'master'.
> > >
> > > Not having noticed this discussion in openssl until today, here's
> my two cents as an openssl user:
> > > I think an incremental approach is fine, clean up the most
> offensive word or two
> > > first, and then see where things land. And if it can't start
> immediately, that's
> > > ok, it took buildbot a while to come up with the needed consensus
> and
> > > elbow grease.
> > > - Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:10 PM Eliot Lear <
> lear@ofcourseimright.com <mailto:lear@ofcourseimright.com> <mailto:
> lear@ofcourseimright.com <mailto:lear@ofcourseimright.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can we please put the knives a way? Rich has given a lot to
> this
> > > community. As an openssl user, I'd rather the conversation
> moved along.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
>
>
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<div dir="ltr">There's nothing wrong with being inclusive. Buildbot<br><div>was \
not harmed by removing the word 'slave' from </div><div>its \
codebase.</div><div>- Dan</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:33 PM Donald R Laster Jr <<a \
href="mailto:don_sfw@dlaster.com">don_sfw@dlaster.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dan,<br> <br>
The words "slave" and "master" have no negative or positive \
connotations in relation to software or even hardware. They are simply description \
of the purpose/function of the software or hardware.<br> <br>
As I said this is nothing but classic political correctness. People need to stop \
being offended at things which are not offensive. This is no different than someone \
getting offended at the use of the words "servant" and "master", \
or "boss" and "employee", or "parent" and \
"child". Changing the software and documentation simply because someone \
does not like the use of appropriate terms is a waste of time. And likely to create \
problems in the future due to changes that serve no purpose.<br> <br>
Don<br>
<br>
Dan Kegel wrote on 07/04/2020 02:09 PM:<br>
> It might be worth reminding folks of<br>
> <a href="https://www.openssl.org/community/conduct.html" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://www.openssl.org/community/conduct.html</a><br> > which \
says<br> > "We strive to be an open and inclusive community where anyone can \
contribute."<br> > - Dan<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM Donald R Laster Jr <<a \
href="mailto:don_sfw@dlaster.com" target="_blank">don_sfw@dlaster.com</a> \
<mailto:<a href="mailto:don_sfw@dlaster.com" \
target="_blank">don_sfw@dlaster.com</a>>> wrote:<br> > <br>
> <br>
> Having just noticed the last 4 or 5 emails related to this thread I have \
to say this is classic political correctness garbage.<br> > Don<br>
> <br>
> Dan Kegel wrote on 07/04/2020 11:35 AM:<br>
> > Likewise. Thank you, Rich!<br>
> ><br>
> > When this issue came up in Buildbot 5 years ago, there was a fair \
bit of... discussion, see<br> > > <a \
href="http://trac.buildbot.net/ticket/2340" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">http://trac.buildbot.net/ticket/2340</a><br> > > The \
resolution back then was to rename 'slave' to 'worker', which was a \
LOT of<br> > > work, and seemed to satisfy everybody at the time.<br>
> > It came up again recently, see<br>
> > <a href="https://github.com/buildbot/buildbot/issues/5382" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/buildbot/buildbot/issues/5382</a><br>
> > and they're now looking at whether and how to address the word \
'master'.<br> > ><br>
> > Not having noticed this discussion in openssl until today, \
here's my two cents as an openssl user:<br> > > I think an \
incremental approach is fine, clean up the most offensive word or two<br> > \
> first, and then see where things land. And if it can't start immediately, \
that's<br> > > ok, it took buildbot a while to come up with the \
needed consensus and<br> > > elbow grease.<br>
> > - Dan<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:10 PM Eliot Lear <<a \
href="mailto:lear@ofcourseimright.com" target="_blank">lear@ofcourseimright.com</a> \
<mailto:<a href="mailto:lear@ofcourseimright.com" \
target="_blank">lear@ofcourseimright.com</a>> <mailto:<a \
href="mailto:lear@ofcourseimright.com" target="_blank">lear@ofcourseimright.com</a> \
<mailto:<a href="mailto:lear@ofcourseimright.com" \
target="_blank">lear@ofcourseimright.com</a>>>> wrote:<br> > \
><br> > > Can we please put the knives a way? Rich has \
given a lot to this<br> > > community. As an openssl user, \
I'd rather the conversation moved along.<br> > ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
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