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List:       opensolaris-discuss
Subject:    Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled,
From:       Jason <jason () ansipunx ! net>
Date:       2010-09-08 3:10:31
Message-ID: AANLkTi=HU0NU3VrCiH3FtbBLvBu=pug9L5v19bJO_jGh () mail ! gmail ! com
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It would be a marked departure from their past behavior.

If you look at most of their products, they are almost all merely
means to get you to buy an RDBMS license.  The whole appliance concept
pretty much falls into that as well.  The concept of a general purpose
OS does not (I suppose they could always make SMF use Oracle as the
storage backend, or otherwise weld it in there somehow, but that would
probably be pushing it).

Their past behavior of substantially increasing license costs for
acquired products also would tend to make Solaris less attractive as a
general purpose OS if they repeat themselves here as well (those that
can will go to Linux to run stuff that doesn't come from Oracle).


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Paul Gress <pgress@optonline.net> wrote:
> On 09/ 7/10 09:51 PM, Erik Trimble wrote:
>
>  Honestly, (and I'm not speaking in any way as an Oracle insider, or from
> any inside knowledge), the question is not "Will Solaris Survive?", the real
> question is "Will Solaris continue to be a General Purpose Computing
> OS/platform?"
>
>
> Oracle (pre-Sun) was massively invested in Solaris as their primary
> development OS for the DB products (that is, Oracle did development on
> Solaris, then ported the fixes to other platforms).  I don't think that's
> changed.  Now that they own Solaris, I can't imaging that anything but
> improving the Oracle DB/Solaris coupling is on their minds. Solaris also
> provides some real nice Enterprise Storage possibilities, plus some other
> vertical integration opportunities.
>
> The question here is if Oracle is willing (or interested) in keeping the ISV
> market for Solaris alive and well.  That's what will keep Solaris going as a
> General Purpose OS (i.e. one where I buy some hardware, put Solaris on it,
> then run random things).  Otherwise, it's going to move into a "bundle"
> concept, where you buy a thing (appliance, pre-configured software, etc.) to
> perform a specific task, and, oh, by the way, the underlying OS is Solaris.
> Virtualization, Storage, DataBase, Java Containers are all areas where
> Oracle is bundling Solaris with an app to sell a solution.
>
> The Bundle concept can be massively profitable, and maintain a significant
> competitive advantage over build-it-yourself solutions.  However, without
> specifically courting and maintaining ISV relationships, Solaris will not be
> able to avoid complete marginalization and not-so-far-away death as a
> general-purpose platform. It's a matter of where Oracle wants to make money,
> and if they value the extra revenue that being a GP-OS brings, vs the effort
> it requires to maintain this presence.
>
>
> The above makes sense, except I keep thinking that Oracle stated they're
> going to invest more money into Solaris than Sun did, so maybe there is room
> for a General Purpose Computing OS/Platform.
>
> Paul
>
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