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Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] [opensolaris-discuss] Were to from here?
From: ken mays <maybird1776 () yahoo ! com>
Date: 2010-07-13 11:03:41
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--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Rob McMahon <Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
From: Rob McMahon <Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] [opensolaris-discuss] Were to from here?
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:16 AM
On 13/07/2010 03:38, John Plocher wrote:
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Giovanni Tirloni <gtirloni@sysdroid.com> wrote:
Sorry for sounding so pessimist, it feels terrible to see the OpenSolaris project \
going through all of this. It feels worse to be on the OGB and still being able to do \
so little about the problem.
Even the obvious alternative (go do a fork...) is a practical
impossibility for the OGB - even though two members are
distro-creators in their own right, the OGB as the *OpenSolaris
Community Governing Board* doesn't have the resources, time or (IMHO)
moral right to hijack the community that Sun/Oracle chartered and
start up what would effectively be an organization that would compete
with Sun/Oracle in developing a Solaris derivitive...
(Which is not to say that someone else couldn't, shouldn't or wouldn't...)
Does it really need to be a complete fork ? Can we not get an IPS repository set up, \
akin to dev, where we could follow where the OpenSolaris / Solaris Next development \
is going. After all, the source is still there, and being updated. Bug reports are \
still being actioned as far as I know. There are several distros out there, but most \
of them seem to be aimed at different takes with the OpenSolaris kernel at the heart \
(different userland, different packaging, different purposing (LiveCDs, etc)). Rich \
Lowe produced the on-nightly-142.i386.tar.bz2, with instructions, and that was really \
welcome, though it didn't play nicely for me with NWAM and I managed to break my \
install. Can we not collectively continue this sort of work, add the missing bits, \
and set up an IPS repository. I'd be willing to spend some of my spare time helping \
out where I can.
Rob
--
E-Mail: Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk PHONE: +44 24 7652 3037
Rob McMahon, IT Services, Warwick University, Coventry, CV4 7AL, England
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HI Rob,
The IPS repo can be cloned and/or updated - that is its design from the start.
Nothing stops an independent service provider from providing updated packages.
There is also alternate OpenSolaris packaging repositories to address this issue.
Rich Lowe proved that a kernel update can be done to b142 and higher. Some people are \
running snv_138-144 kernels. Mileages may vary.
As for NWAN, there are some notes on the NWAN GUI install and other update info. You \
can also contact the nwan-dev team for more info.
~ Ken Mays
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<I><Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE \
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5px"><BR>From: Rob McMahon <Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk><BR>Subject: Re: \
[osol-discuss] [opensolaris-discuss] Were to from here?<BR>To: \
opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org<BR>Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:16 AM<BR><BR> \
<DIV id=yiv481694972>On 13/07/2010 03:38, John Plocher wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE \
type="cite"><PRE>On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Giovanni Tirloni <A \
class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E \
href="http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gtirloni@sysdroid.com" \
rel=nofollow target=_blank \
ymailto="mailto:gtirloni@sysdroid.com"><gtirloni@sysdroid.com></A> wrote: \
</PRE> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE>Sorry for sounding so pessimist, it feels \
terrible to see the OpenSolaris project going through all of this. \
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>It feels worse to be on the OGB and still being able to do so \
little about the problem.
Even the obvious alternative (go do a fork...) is a practical
impossibility for the OGB - even though two members are
distro-creators in their own right, the OGB as the *OpenSolaris
Community Governing Board* doesn't have the resources, time or (IMHO)
moral right to hijack the community that Sun/Oracle chartered and
start up what would effectively be an organization that would compete
with Sun/Oracle in developing a Solaris derivitive...
(Which is not to say that someone else couldn't, shouldn't or wouldn't...)
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>Does it really need to be a complete fork ? Can we not get \
an IPS repository set up, akin to dev, where we could follow where the OpenSolaris / \
Solaris Next development is going. After all, the source is still there, and \
being updated. Bug reports are still being actioned as far as I know.<BR>There \
are several distros out there, but most of them seem to be aimed at different takes \
with the OpenSolaris kernel at the heart (different userland, different packaging, \
different purposing (LiveCDs, etc)). <BR>Rich Lowe produced the <A \
href="http://genunix.org/dist/richlowe/on-nightly-142.i386.tar.bz2" rel=nofollow \
target=_blank><B>on-nightly-142.i386.tar.bz2</B></A>, with instructions, and that was \
really welcome, though it didn't play nicely for me with NWAM and I managed to break \
my install. Can we not collectively continue this sort of work, add the missing \
bits, and set up an IPS repository. I'd be willing to spend some of my spare \
time helping out where I can.<BR><BR>Rob<BR><PRE \
class=moz-signature>--
E-Mail: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated \
href="http://us.mc1113.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk" \
rel=nofollow target=_blank \
ymailto="mailto:Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk">Rob.McMahon@warwick.ac.uk</A> PHONE: +44 \
24 7652 3037 Rob McMahon, IT Services, Warwick University, Coventry, CV4 7AL, England
</PRE></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>HI Rob,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The IPS repo can be cloned and/or updated - that is its design from the \
start.</DIV> <DIV>Nothing stops an independent service provider from providing \
updated packages.</DIV> <DIV>There is also alternate OpenSolaris packaging \
repositories to address this issue.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rich Lowe proved that a kernel update can be done to b142 and higher. Some \
people are running snv_138-144 kernels. Mileages may vary.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As for NWAN, there are some notes on the NWAN GUI install and other update info. \
You can also contact the nwan-dev team for more info.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>~ Ken Mays</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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