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Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Griefer issue...
From: "Mike Chase" <mike.chase () alternatemetaverse ! com>
Date: 2013-02-26 3:24:56
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Or you can simply turn off hypergrid. It's pretty much insecure by design.
Mike
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[mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of John Sheridan
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:06 PM
To: opensim-users@lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Griefer issue...
Without mucking up your file systems and destroying your operating system
install?
On 02/25/2013 08:45 PM, Trinity wrote:
the hard drive data can be changed as well especially in linux
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM, John Sheridan <john@pseudospace.net> wrote:
I believe the viewer also adds in a third safe guard in combination with IP
/ MAC address. Long ago while tinkering around with the viewer logins I
remember seeing mentions of an ID0 floating around thats sent to the login
service as part of the login data packet. If I understood correctly, this
is supposedly the UUID of the user's first hard drive - which in fact cannot
be changed without physically replacing the drive itself (see
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Current_login_protocols).
On 02/25/2013 06:18 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
Yeah, I think like websites the only thing you can ultimately do is ban by
IP for a period. Otherwise, they could always just create a new account,
change their MAC address, etc. Of course, they can change their IP too but
this is the most hassle.
On 25/02/13 17:51, Sarge Misfit wrote:
Other than banning by IP or MAC address, I don't know.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:51 AM, <opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com
<mailto:opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com>> wrote:
I see there has been a post about this issue before. My post here is two
fold.. One is to apologize to the grids
that have been victim to this and to request that other grids do not
restrict hypergrid access from my grid.. Also
to start a discussion about steps to prevent this in the future.. I
have been notified yesterday and this morning
I have a griefer registering on the Virtual Realms Grid then going to
other grids to grieve them.. I have take
steps to ensure this does not happen anymore.. I have restricted new
user creations to administrative approval till
we have sort out a good practical preventive measure on this type of
abuse. And would like to extend an apology to
any grid that have been a victim to this by any of the grids users.. I
will be looking at ways to prevent this from
happening in the future.. To this end any suggestions to help grids
prevent this from happening would be welcomed..
Thank you,
Todd Davis
Grid Administrator
Virtual Realms Grid..
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simply turn off hypergrid. It’s pretty much insecure by \
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opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de \
[mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John \
Sheridan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 25, 2013 9:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> \
opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] Griefer \
issue...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Without mucking up your \
file systems and destroying your operating system install? <br><br>On \
02/25/2013 08:45 PM, Trinity wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote \
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>the hard drive \
data can be changed as well especially in linux<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p \
class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM, John Sheridan <<a \
href="mailto:john@pseudospace.net" target="_blank">john@pseudospace.net</a>> \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I believe the viewer also adds in a third \
safe guard in combination with IP / MAC address. Long ago while tinkering \
around with the viewer logins I remember seeing mentions of an ID0 floating around \
thats sent to the login service as part of the login data packet. If I \
understood correctly, this is supposedly the UUID of the user's first hard drive - \
which in fact cannot be changed without physically replacing the drive itself (see <a \
href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Current_login_protocols" \
target="_blank">http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Current_login_protocols</a>). \
<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>On 02/25/2013 06:18 PM, \
Justin Clark-Casey wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yeah, I think like \
websites the only thing you can ultimately do is ban by IP for a period. \
Otherwise, they could always just create a new account, change their MAC \
address, etc. Of course, they can change their IP too but this is the most \
hassle.<br><br>On 25/02/13 17:51, Sarge Misfit wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Other than banning by IP or MAC address, \
I don't know.<br><br>On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:51 AM, <<a \
href="mailto:opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com" \
target="_blank">opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com</a> <mailto:<a \
href="mailto:opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com" \
target="_blank">opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br> \
I see there has been a post about this issue before. My post here is two \
fold.. One is to apologize to the grids<br> that have been victim \
to this and to request that other grids do not restrict hypergrid access from my \
grid.. Also<br> to start a discussion about steps to prevent this in the \
future.. I have been notified yesterday and this morning<br> I \
have a griefer registering on the Virtual Realms Grid then going to other grids to \
grieve them.. I have take<br> steps to ensure this does not happen \
anymore.. I have restricted new user creations to administrative approval \
till<br> we have sort out a good practical preventive measure on this \
type of abuse. And would like to extend an apology to<br> any grid that \
have been a victim to this by any of the grids users.. I will be looking at \
ways to prevent this from<br> happening in the future.. To this \
end any suggestions to help grids prevent this from happening would be \
welcomed..<br><br> Thank you,<br> Todd Davis<br> \
Grid Administrator<br> Virtual Realms Grid..<br><br> \
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