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Subject: [Opensim-users] Timezone
From: jjustincc () googlemail ! com (Justin Clark-Casey)
Date: 2012-04-24 0:50:44
Message-ID: 4F95F8E4.9070702 () googlemail ! com
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Looks like a good patch to me. I left a few small comments - if you could fix those \
up and no-one objects I'll be happy to slap it in. Thanks Gudule.
On 21/04/12 16:21, Gudule Lapointe wrote:
> We added a patch to the Mantis.
>
> - Server tries to send Pacific Time daylight saving status to the client, whatever \
> timezone the system is.
> - If failed, falls back to system time zone and logs a warning.
> - It does not affect client-side UTC settings like in Imprudence
>
> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5972
>
> I strongly think this is the way to go until custom timezone is actually \
> implemented. And i'd love it to be implemented.
>
>
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> Le 19 avr. 2012 ? 01:09, Gudule Lapointe a ?crit :
>
> > My tests and the examples (including OSGrid time) show that the server DO control \
> > DST setting, while it does not control the other part of the timezone.
> >
> > And this is why it's a bug. If the client is expecting pacific time and relies on \
> > the server for DST, DST has to be calculated on Paciifc Time
> >
> > The "decision" of using UTC is cool, but it has absolutely no effect. I don't \
> > know a grid where UTC is the in-world time. Imprudence implements it on the \
> > client-side only.
> > So the server must definitively send the info the client is expecting. Until \
> > management of a server-side custom timezone is implemented.
> >
> > Sending a Hong Kong daylight saving to a client showing Los Angeles time has \
> > absolutely no sense.
> >
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> > Le 19 avr. 2012 ? 01:03, Robert Klein a ?crit :
> >
> > > We decided a long time ago to settle on UTC as the default timezone and it
> > > looks like the Imprudence team added the support to their viewer. Here is
> > > the link to the wiki http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Universal_Time_in_OpenSim
> > >
> > > -Robert
> > >
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> > > Le 19 avr. 2012 ? 00:51, Justin Clark-Casey a ?crit :
> > >
> > > > I can't remember the details but I think this is because it's not something \
> > > > the server can control - the stock viewers are hardcoded to pacific time even \
> > > > if they might make some change for daylight savings.
> > > > The imprudence guys implemented another mechanism to change the timezone, I \
> > > > think.
> > > > On 18/04/12 22:31, Fleep Tuque wrote:
> > > > > I'm not sure why timezone isn't a configurable option in opensim.ini? My \
> > > > > campus grid users don't care about UTC or any other time zone than our own \
> > > > > and what they most need to know is when their class meets.
> > > > > - Chris/Fleep
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque)
> > > > > Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM)
> > > > > UCIT Instructional & Research Computing
> > > > > University of Cincinnati
> > > > > 406A Zimmer Hall
> > > > > 315 College Drive
> > > > > PO BOX 210088
> > > > > Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
> > > > > chris.collins at uc.edu <mailto:chris.collins at uc.edu> \
> > > > > <mailto:chris.collins at uc.edu> (513) 556-3018
> > > > >
> > > > > http://ucsim.uc.edu <http://ucsim.uc.edu/>
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Olivier van Helden <olivier at \
> > > > > van-helden.net <mailto:olivier at van-helden.net> <mailto:olivier at \
> > > > > van-helden.net>> wrote:
> > > > > If it's not a feature, it's a bug!
> > > > >
> > > > > I made more extensive tests and my conclusion is:
> > > > >
> > > > > - If I set my server on whatever timezone not using DST, viewer would show \
> > > > > PST in anycase
> > > > > - If i set it to whatever timezone using DST, viewer would show PDT if \
> > > > > applicable, PST otherwise (SL behaviour)
> > > > > This is insane: we use a local setting for daylight savings, and a global \
> > > > > hardcoded setting for the hour
> > > > > This probably means even those using DST will not change at the same time, \
> > > > > depending on which timezone they have.
> > > > > I filled a Mantis about this
> > > > > http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5972
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 18 avr. 2012 ? 18:24, Gudule Lapointe a ?crit :
> > > > >
> > > > > > Not totally exact, Vanish. My tests proved that time info is somewhat \
> > > > > > send by the server:
> > > > > > - On Singularity AND Second Life viewer (where timezone was supposed to \
> > > > > > be hard-coded), it shows PDT in my grid, and PST in OSGrid
> > > > > > -> So, times is cleary sent by the server. For viewers listening to that \
> > > > > > info.
> > > > > > - Imprudence has a setting to choose between PSD/PDT or GMT. If set to \
> > > > > > PST/PDT, i still get the same difference between OSGrid and mine
> > > > > > -> fallback to same conclusion (and imprudence should probably replace \
> > > > > > "PST/PDT" by "in-world time" or something like that)
> > > > > > - If I HG to another grid, my viewer keeps the time from my login grid
> > > > > > -> time is set at login time, depending on login server settings
> > > > > > - In the source code I see at some place that the daylight setting is \
> > > > > > evaluated.
> > > > > > -> maybe only the use of DST can be set on server
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Same question is still left: how?
> > > > > > -> maybe just because osgrid auth server runs on a machine where DST is \
> > > > > > disabled?
> > > > > > And it raise a second question: who should adjust this settings, me, or \
> > > > > > OSGrid? No kidding: I just checked in Second Life, and time is PDT now, \
> > > > > > there. And I noticed several times that when we're in doubt, SL is often \
> > > > > > the reference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Le 18 avr. 2012 ? 17:50, Vanish a ?crit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The time is a viewer service, and Imprudence is the only one I know \
> > > > > > > that allows you to change the timezone to UTC (optionally) all others \
> > > > > > > display PST (or "Second-Life-time", as it's come to be called).
> > > > > > > > I've looked at but not found a solution!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just noted: for a same instance of OpenSimulator (standalone), \
> > > > > > > > Imprudence displays UTC time and Viewer 3 displays PST.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > GCI
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: Gudule Lapointe
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:36 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Opensim-users] Timezone
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How can I setup grid or region time zone?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I noticed my grid is in PDT, while OSGrid for example is in PST. \
> > > > > > > > While my server runs in CEST
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can't find settings for that anywhere?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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