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List:       openmoko-community
Subject:    Re: Neo as cellular modem?
From:       Michael Shiloh <michael () openmoko ! org>
Date:       2008-05-29 18:16:13
Message-ID: 483EF2ED.3070509 () openmoko ! org
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Am Do  29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
>> Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their
>>>> closed firmware.  Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk
>>>> of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware are pretty compelling
>>>> so I don't know how we get out of that bind.
>>> The very knowledge that we can't do something that the hardware would 
>>> technically be capable of is annoying, 
>> Strongly agree. In some cases this was a result of the agreement we were 
>> able to reach with the chip manufacturer in order to open source the 
>> driver. We don't view this as a perfect solution, but rather a good 
>> start. Hopefully in the future the success of Openmoko will encourage 
>> chip manufacturers to become more open.
>>
>>
>>> but I don't really see why we would need to implement a true AP in the 
> phone. 
>> Strongly disagree. Innovation is stifled whenever choices are limited 
>> simply because we can't think of why someone would want to make that 
>> choice. We should always strive to make such choices available.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For any reasonable use
>>> case I can think of, ad-hoc mode should be enough. The only usability 
>>> advantage of being an AP would be that it can send beacon packets that 
>>> allow other devices to detect an available network, but sending beacon 
>>> would be a battery drain anyway.
>> Assuming the use case made sense, the Freerunner could be powered 
>> externally.
>>
>> Michael
> 
> Not if you don't find a "3 word slogan" to sell this feature to your granny.
> SCNR, still got a "no Joerg!" trauma ;-)

I believe there is a legal expression, something like "the grandfather 
clause". Has Steve now invented a similar marketing expression, the 
granny test?

:-)

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