--===============0358639268== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10405_28158838.1211224439707" ------=_Part_10405_28158838.1211224439707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I second that. Is there a way to test the new software on qemu? Looking forward to start hacking stuff on my OM... Ivo On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Mo Abrahams wrote: > How does one go about getting the new software version as a qemu image? > I am intrigued... and since I have (in the last week or so) started > having doubts about getting a freerunner I would very much like > something to inspire me again. It is not the freerunners fault, by the > way, that I am having doubts. Just that I have just got myself a new > contract and I quite like the phone I am getting with it... while on the > topic... can freerunner be used without a simcard (obviously not the gsm > parts, but everything else?)? > > Mo. > > On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 10:27 -0400, Ian Darwin wrote: > > I have been using a FreeRunner for a few days with a pre-pre-alpha > > snapshot of the ASU software. For those who have been off-list for a > > while, or who have not been looking at the Wiki much, the April > > Software Update switches the Window Manager from matchbox to > > Enlightenment (E17) and the main applications from the GTK-based apps > > (developed by OpenMoko and OpenedHand) to QTopia (but using X11, of > course). > > > > The new phone is in the same case, so it looks and feels a lot like a > > GTA01. I think the partition numbers for dfu-util have changed; newer > > versions of dfu-util allow you to use the partition names instead of the > > numbers. Beware. > > > > The Home Page (aka Launcher) can now be displayed either in an Icon Grid > > (conventional cell phone style, e.g., Blackberry, and the traditional > > QTopia format) or a "slider" style (the latter demonstrated by MokoNinja > > here: http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/freerunner1.4.swf (flash > > required). > > > > The small home/current-apps menu has been replaced by a larger > > slide-down top panel, listing the current apps, and containing the time, > > battery panel, GSM on/off, qwerty keyboard on/off, Configuration, and > > the Enlightenment menu. > > > > Neither of the above is, AFAIK, cast in stone. > > > > I must admit I have mixed feelings about the switch from OM/GTK apps to > > QTopia. However, I recognize the need to get something "finished" in a > > reasonable time and I infer Sean et al felt the need to go this way; > > in hindsight, building the whole thing from scratch is a daunting task, > > and something that QTopia has been honing for several years. > > > > The QTopia apps do have a somewhat more conventional "cell phone" > > feel to them (see my screenshot of the Contacts "Overview" page here: > > http://www.darwinsys.com/tmp/contacts1.png). > > > > So, I think we're in good hands here. On to the "experience". > > > > Short form: functionally, it works. Among other things, the phone wakes > > up reliably on incoming rings (assuming it's booted and suspended, of > > course), and GSM voice works after a resume. > > > > There are still some minor glitches. I hope I'm not out of line > > reporting these here, given how pre-pre my software is, but Steve has > > been asking me to report on this list since my FreeRunner arrived. I > > remind everybody reading this to remember that this is PRE-PRE-RELEASE > > software. None of this intended as criticism of those who worked under > > time deadline to make this early release ready for the show I was > > presenting OM at! Nonetheless these are things that I would not like to > > have fall through the cracks. > > > > 1) Incoming calls do wake up the phone, but by the time the dialer > > appears on screen, several rings have gone by, and, by the time you > > press Answer and get it recognized, the screen hasn't responded, the > > Answer button changes to Hangup, so if you double-clicked it, you can > > easily hang up on your caller without intending to. > > > > 2) The ASU software features a qwerty-keyboard. It is switchable between > > alphabetics and numerics; unfortunately the gesture needed to do this > > (a triangle drawn counter-clockwise from lower left) is a bit hard to > > get right; hopefully there will be a button to switch this. As well, > > the current version of ASU uses QTopia's input manager, offering what > > looks like a predictive style but is actually doing a dictionary > > lookup; I find this very distracting compared to a plain do-what-I-type > > keyboard, and would welcome an easy way to turn this off (I thought > > Lorne Potter posted this once, but I couldn't find it). > > > > 3) It's easy to accidentally start an application (thus slowing down > > what you're trying to really do) while scrolling the home screen in icon > > grid mode. > > > > 4) The Preferences that are in the top slide-down panel's Wrench icon > > should presumably be merged with the Preferences App. > > > > 5) The shutdown dialog does not have a cancel or Back button. > > And, it often doesn't actually shutdown. > > > > All for now. Again, please remember that this is very early access. > > And don't let my nit-picking distract you from the fact that it's > > looking good for something that was merged only a few weeks ago! > > > > Ian Darwin > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------=_Part_10405_28158838.1211224439707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I second that. Is there a way to test the new software on qemu?

Looking forward to start hacking stuff on my OM...

Ivo

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Mo Abrahams <moabrahams@dashavoo.com> wrote:
How does one go about getting the new software version as a qemu image?
I am intrigued... and since I have (in the last week or so) started
having doubts about getting a freerunner I would very much like
something to inspire me again. It is not the freerunners fault, by the
way, that I am having doubts. Just that I have just got myself a new
contract and I quite like the phone I am getting with it... while on the
topic... can freerunner be used without a simcard (obviously not the gsm
parts,  but everything else?)?

Mo.

On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 10:27 -0400, Ian Darwin wrote:
> I have been using a FreeRunner for a few days with a pre-pre-alpha
> snapshot of the ASU software. For those who have been off-list for a
> while, or who have not been looking at the Wiki much, the April
> Software Update switches the Window Manager from matchbox to
> Enlightenment (E17) and the main applications from the GTK-based apps
> (developed by OpenMoko and OpenedHand) to QTopia (but using X11, of course).
>
> The new phone is in the same case, so it looks and feels a lot like a
> GTA01. I think the partition numbers for dfu-util have changed; newer
> versions of dfu-util allow you to use the partition names instead of the
> numbers. Beware.
>
> The Home Page (aka Launcher) can now be displayed either in an Icon Grid
> (conventional cell phone style, e.g., Blackberry, and the traditional
> QTopia format) or a "slider" style (the latter demonstrated by MokoNinja
> here: http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/freerunner1.4.swf (flash
> required).
>
> The small home/current-apps menu has been replaced by a larger
> slide-down top panel, listing the current apps, and containing the time,
> battery panel, GSM on/off, qwerty keyboard on/off, Configuration, and
> the Enlightenment menu.
>
> Neither of the above is, AFAIK, cast in stone.
>
> I must admit I have mixed feelings about the switch from OM/GTK apps to
> QTopia. However, I recognize the need to get something "finished" in a
> reasonable time and I infer Sean et al felt the need to go this way;
> in hindsight, building the whole thing from scratch is a daunting task,
> and something that QTopia has been honing for several years.
>
> The QTopia apps do have a somewhat more conventional "cell phone"
> feel to them (see my screenshot of the Contacts "Overview" page here:
> http://www.darwinsys.com/tmp/contacts1.png).
>
> So, I think we're in good hands here. On to the "experience".
>
> Short form: functionally, it works.  Among other things, the phone wakes
> up reliably on incoming rings (assuming it's booted and suspended, of
> course), and GSM voice works after a resume.
>
> There are still some minor glitches. I hope I'm not out of line
> reporting these here, given how pre-pre my software is, but Steve has
> been asking me to report on this list since my FreeRunner arrived. I
> remind everybody reading this to remember that this is PRE-PRE-RELEASE
> software. None of this intended as criticism of those who worked under
> time deadline to make this early release ready for the show I was
> presenting OM at!  Nonetheless these are things that I would not like to
> have fall through the cracks.
>
> 1) Incoming calls do wake up the phone, but by the time the dialer
> appears on screen, several rings have gone by, and, by the time you
> press Answer and get it recognized, the screen hasn't responded, the
> Answer button changes to Hangup, so if you double-clicked it, you can
> easily hang up on your caller without intending to.
>
> 2) The ASU software features a qwerty-keyboard. It is switchable between
> alphabetics and numerics; unfortunately the gesture  needed to do this
> (a triangle drawn counter-clockwise from lower left) is a bit hard to
> get right; hopefully there will be a  button to switch this. As well,
> the current version of ASU uses QTopia's input manager, offering what
> looks like a predictive style but is  actually doing a dictionary
> lookup; I find this very distracting compared to a plain do-what-I-type
> keyboard, and would welcome an easy way to turn this off (I thought
> Lorne Potter posted this once, but I couldn't find it).
>
> 3) It's easy to accidentally start an application (thus slowing down
> what you're trying to really do) while scrolling the home screen in icon
> grid mode.
>
> 4) The Preferences that are in the top slide-down panel's Wrench icon
> should presumably be merged with the Preferences App.
>
> 5) The shutdown dialog does not have a cancel or Back button.
> And, it often doesn't actually shutdown.
>
> All for now. Again, please remember that this is very early access.
> And don't let my nit-picking distract you from the fact that it's
> looking good for something that was merged only a few weeks ago!
>
> Ian Darwin
>
>
>
>
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> community@lists.openmoko.org
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