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Subject: Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework
From: "Andrea Debortoli" <debortoland () gmail ! com>
Date: 2008-04-19 8:53:04
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2008/4/19, Kevin Dean <kevin@foreverdean.info>:
>
> I have to say, I'm baffled by that sentiment. GTA02v5 is fully
> functional, the only "problem" is that it's not as efficient as it
> could be, just like every other product on the planet.
>
> For those saying "wait another month" I've got a different arguement -
> let's NOT hire people to make the changes, purchase the equipment
> needed to do it. If a missing transistor is really upsetting someone
> that much, the open nature of Openmoko works in your favor because you
> can wait until the units you consider "defective" are sold out. I, for
> one, don't want to pay the costs (and I will, if Openmoko decides to
> wait and add the transistor for goodwill) that will be incurred and
> spread over the rest of the product line. I'm QUITE happy to take a v5
> and go along on my merry way.
>
> It is quite possible to make your statement by NOT purchasing a v5
> unit and waiting for a v6. Choosing to wait yourself, without passing
> the delay and costs onto everyone else is the most ethical, polite way
> to solve the problem.
I don't know if it's possible to explicitly choose a GTA02v5 or a GTA02v6 at
the buying moment...
if someone will tell us something about this I'll be more quiet...:)
I'm very happy that someone is going to buy a bugged hw (although barely),
but remember that battery lifetime is (and probably will always be) a
critical issue for Freerunners, and personally I don't want to buy an hw
revision that increase these issues...(knowing that there is a better one
around the corner)
Regards
Andrea Debortoli
-Kevin
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Steven Le Roux <steven@le-roux.info>
> wrote:
> > I totally agree with you.
> >
> > I understand everybody is happy to see the neo coming, but don't forget
> the
> > goal :) : to provides the best free phones.
> >
> > It wouldn't be pleasant for us to by a phone, knowing there is a known
> issue
> > with optimisation of power consumption and LED stuff..
> >
> > I understand the rush ;) but we can wait...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Ron K. Jeffries <rjeffries@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OpenMoko team:
> > >
> > > It's crazy to consider shipping the GTA02v5 without the rework
> > > to solve the current leakage issue.
> > >
> > > Yes, people are REALLY anxious to get this phone. But shipping
> > > a few thousand of units that do not meet spec on standby time
> > > is a Bad Idea.
> > >
> > > pull up your socks and do the rework
> > > if that delays launch by 30 days so be it.
> > > besides the firmware will be better by then as well. ;)
> > >
> > > -ron jeffries.
> > >
> > > CONTEXT:
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: "Shawn Rutledge" <shawn.t.rutledge@gmail.com>
> > > To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"
> > <community@lists.openmoko.org>
> > > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:30:59 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future
> > Button and LED software spec)
> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
> > > <quatrox@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows a
> > little
> > > > electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I will start
> soldering!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done
> for
> > all
> > > > GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be any
> > problem
> > > > at all.
> > >
> > > Yes maybe it can be fixed. But is the fix documented yet?
> > >
> > > Another way to look at it: if the fix can be done without a PCB
> > > change, then why not get the factory to do the rework (swapping
> > > transistors or whatever) before they are shipped? How much would it
> > > cost to get that done in China?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ron K. Jeffries
> > > http://blog.eronj.com
> > > http://twitter.com/RonKJeffries
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steven Le Roux
> > Jabber-ID : Steven@jabber.fr
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2008/4/19, Kevin Dean <<a \
href="mailto:kevin@foreverdean.info">kevin@foreverdean.info</a>>:</span><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I have to say, I'm baffled by that sentiment. \
GTA02v5 is fully<br> functional, the only "problem" is that it's not as \
efficient as it<br> could be, just like every other product on the planet.<br> <br> \
For those saying "wait another month" I've got a different arguement \
-<br> let's NOT hire people to make the changes, purchase the equipment<br> \
needed to do it. If a missing transistor is really upsetting someone<br> that much, \
the open nature of Openmoko works in your favor because you<br> can wait until the \
units you consider "defective" are sold out. I, for<br> one, don't want \
to pay the costs (and I will, if Openmoko decides to<br> wait and add the transistor \
for goodwill) that will be incurred and<br> spread over the rest of the product \
line. I'm QUITE happy to take a v5<br> and go along on my merry way.<br> <br> It \
is quite possible to make your statement by NOT purchasing a v5<br> unit and waiting \
for a v6. Choosing to wait yourself, without passing<br> the delay and costs onto \
everyone else is the most ethical, polite way<br> to solve the \
problem.</blockquote><div><br>I don't know if it's possible to explicitly \
choose a GTA02v5 or a GTA02v6 at the buying moment...<br> if someone will tell us \
something about this I'll be more quiet...:)<br>I'm very happy that someone \
is going to buy a bugged hw (although barely), but remember that battery lifetime is \
(and probably will always be) a critical issue for Freerunners, and personally I \
don't want to buy an hw revision that increase these issues...(knowing that there \
is a better one around the corner)<br> <br>Regards<br>Andrea \
Debortoli<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> -Kevin<br> \
<br><br> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Steven Le Roux <<a \
href="mailto:steven@le-roux.info">steven@le-roux.info</a>> wrote:<br> > I \
totally agree with you.<br> ><br> > I understand everybody is happy to see the \
neo coming, but don't forget the<br> > goal :) : to provides the best free \
phones.<br> ><br> > It wouldn't be pleasant for us to by a phone, knowing \
there is a known issue<br> > with optimisation of power consumption \
and LED stuff..<br> ><br> > I understand the rush ;) but we can wait...<br> \
><br> ><br> ><br> > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Ron K. Jeffries \
<<a href="mailto:rjeffries@gmail.com">rjeffries@gmail.com</a>><br> > \
wrote:<br> > ><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > OpenMoko team:<br> \
> ><br> > > It's crazy to consider shipping the GTA02v5 without the \
rework<br> > > to solve the current leakage issue.<br> > ><br> > > \
Yes, people are REALLY anxious to get this phone. But shipping<br> > > a few \
thousand of units that do not meet spec on standby time<br> > > is a Bad \
Idea.<br> > ><br> > > pull up your socks and do the rework<br> > > \
if that delays launch by 30 days so be it.<br> > > besides the firmware will be \
better by then as well. ;)<br> > ><br> > > -ron jeffries.<br> > \
><br> > > CONTEXT:<br> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> \
> > From: "Shawn Rutledge" <<a \
href="mailto:shawn.t.rutledge@gmail.com">shawn.t.rutledge@gmail.com</a>><br> > \
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"<br> > <<a \
href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a>><br> \
> > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:30:59 -0700<br> > > Subject: Re: Freerunner \
will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future<br> > Button and LED software \
spec)<br> > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen<br> \
> > <<a href="mailto:quatrox@gmail.com">quatrox@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> \
> > > It sounds to me as the problem is easy for those of us that knows \
a<br> > little<br> > > > electronics. If I get one that leaks current, I \
will start soldering!<br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > > Does \
anybody know if the fix Werner is talking about, will be done for<br> > all<br> \
> > > GTA02v5 PCB's? If it really will be a fix for it, it will not be \
any<br> > problem<br> > > > at all.<br> > ><br> > > Yes \
maybe it can be fixed. But is the fix documented yet?<br> > ><br> \
> > Another way to look at it: if the fix can be done without a PCB<br> > \
> change, then why not get the factory to do the rework (swapping<br> > > \
transistors or whatever) before they are shipped? How much would it<br> \
> > cost to get that done in China?<br> > ><br> > > --<br> > \
> Ron K. Jeffries<br> > > <a \
href="http://blog.eronj.com">http://blog.eronj.com</a><br> > > <a \
href="http://twitter.com/RonKJeffries">http://twitter.com/RonKJeffries</a><br> > \
><br> > ><br> > ><br> > > \
_______________________________________________<br> > > Openmoko community \
mailing list<br> > > <a \
href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br> > \
> <a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br> \
> ><br> > ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Steven Le \
Roux<br> > Jabber-ID : <a href="mailto:Steven@jabber.fr">Steven@jabber.fr</a><br> \
> _______________________________________________<br> > Openmoko \
community mailing list<br> > <a \
href="mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org">community@lists.openmoko.org</a><br> \
> <a href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br> \
><br> ><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Openmoko \
community mailing list<br> <a \
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href="http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community">http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community</a><br> \
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