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Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
From: "steve" <steve () openmoko ! com>
Date: 2008-04-16 17:07:18
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One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable
others to seize these opportunities.
So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even
shipped. I think this decision is
underappreciated.
The per piece cost of plastic is small. Go price a pound of plastic. The
risk is tooling. We reduced that
by making CAD data open.
Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. That has
come down over time.
I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not happy
when I tell people
that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink.
That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make it pink
by publishing CAD files.
If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under those
pink platistics
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From: community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Neil Davey
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
>From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material
(ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is
the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool
was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high
quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a
few $K), but don't think the quality is as good..
Just my 2c
Regards
Neil Davey
Hugo Mills wrote:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote:
Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and
start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors.
I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more
or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes
involved -- just to see what it would take to do.
Hugo.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the
phone, was to enable others to seize these opportunities.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before
it has even shipped. I think this decision is</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>underappreciated.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The per piece cost of plastic is small. Go price a
pound of plastic. The risk is tooling. We reduced that</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>by making CAD data open.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a
document. That has come down over time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> I want to enable a world were you can print parts.
Trust me, I am not happy when I tell people</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get
pink. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable
people to make it pink by publishing CAD files.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that
go under those pink platistics</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=765284216-16042008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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[mailto:community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Neil
Davey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM<BR><B>To:</B> List for
Openmoko community discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT
update<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of
material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool
that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold
tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high
quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a few
$K), but don't think the quality is as good..<BR><BR>Just my
2c<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Neil Davey<BR><BR>Hugo Mills wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:20080416155825.GF6784@vlad.carfax.org.uk type="cite"><PRE \
wrap="">On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: </PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Someone with a knack for business should \
simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion \
different colors. </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more
or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes
involved -- just to see what it would take to do.
Hugo.
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