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List:       openjdk-openjfx-dev
Subject:    Metro apps
From:       zonski () gmail ! com (Daniel Zwolenski)
Date:       2012-12-27 1:33:47
Message-ID: 8D05A030-259B-4CC0-8F83-274DC7406274 () gmail ! com
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All good questions that I'd also like to see answered at some point. 

Regarding jfx apps in the windows store, my initial investigation into this is it \
should be legally and technically fine (I am no lawyer, blah, blah, blah) and \
potentially quite easy. 

Supporting this via the JFX maven plugin (so you'd do a mvn jfx:build-win-app-store \
and potentially a similar deploy version that did the upload for you) is about 4th or \
5th on my todo list, which possibly means around feb. If anyone wants to help on this \
front it could be sooner - just shout out. 

Priority #1 for me though is to get the jfx packaging tools building and deployed \
into maven central. From that, everything else flows. 


On 27/12/2012, at 12:05 PM, Pedro Duque Vieira <pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> \
wrote:

> 
> To do an app that has a "metro-style" UI could well just be a case of skinning \
> things differently and adding some new controls but this would really only work on \
> normal Windows (I think Windows 8 will run Java but in compatibility mode). To \
> actually run a "metro-style" app on Windows RT (MS's new OS for ultra-portable \
> computers) I think requires a port of the JDK and JFX to that platform.  
> Not just run on Windows RT but also on Windows 8. 
> 
> If compatibility mode is the only viable option for now we could still emulate the \
> metro style on that mode, although I haven't thought whether that would be of \
> value. 
> There are a bunch of technical challenges with such a port I believe (e.g. RT is \
> heavily sand-boxed from the looks of it).  I'm not sure but I think RT only allows \
> for AOT like ios devices. So this falls under the "run javafx on tablets and \
> mobiles" issue which Oracle doesn't want to disclose any more info about.  But we \
> also still have windows 8.   
> One other question I have is whether it is possible to sell java apps on the \
> windows store. 
> So, in conclusion:
> Will java apps ever run through the Start screen of windows 8 / windows RT (we \
> probably won't get any answer for now on this..) For now we can run Java on Windows \
> 8 Desktop. Is emulating a metro style app, on that mode, a good idea? If it is a \
> good idea how would we go about doing it? Are there any system calls we can make to \
> bring up things like the app toolbar or do we hand code that? What about the \
> platforms standard animations and other stuff?  Is it now possible to sell javafx \
> apps on the windows store? If not, will it be possible on the future? 
> Thanks, Cheers,
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at gmail.com> wrote:
> This was also asked somewhat in that massive 'mobile' thread on the OTN forum: \
> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=10708891#10708891 
> No response but perhaps it got lost in all the noise on that thread. 
> 
> jsmith gives some good info on the difference between Windows Metro, Windows 8 and \
> Windows RT. It's worth getting clear on the terminology since it's all very messy \
> thanks to some MS branding issues.  
> 
> It would be great if someone from Oracle could clarify all this, but given the xmas \
> break I think things are a little quiet at the moment.  
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pedro Duque Vieira <pedro.duquevieira at \
> gmail.com> wrote: I'm asking this (below) because while doing a metro version of \
> javafx controls in my project JMetro, I wonder how things like the app toolbar
> will be implemented, if the javafx team is already doing it and if not how
> should I go about doing it..
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Pedro Duque Vieira <
> pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Are you going to support Metro apps? That is, with all that implies:
> > 
> > 1. Different type of interface
> > 1. full window
> > 2. app toolbar
> > 3. charms toolbar
> > 4. tile API: show images on start screen inside tile,
> > notifications, etc
> > 5. metro animations
> > 6. etc
> > 2. If so (answer to 1 is yes), than how are you going to implement
> 
> > that? Will you code javafx versions of things like the app toolbar or are
> > you going to rely on system calls to make this stuff show up? (don't know
> > if the later option exists or is possible)
> > 
> > Thanks, best regards,
> > 
> > --
> > Pedro Duque Vieira
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Pedro Duque Vieira
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Pedro Duque Vieira


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