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List:       openjdk-hotspot-gc-dev
Subject:    Re: RFR: Parallelize safepoint cleanup
From:       Robbin Ehn <robbin.ehn () oracle ! com>
Date:       2017-07-20 21:52:28
Message-ID: 4715671c-82bd-914c-edf0-0ad616723a16 () oracle ! com
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On 07/20/2017 06:43 PM, Daniel D. Daugherty wrote:
> On 7/20/17 4:53 AM, Roman Kennke wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Robbin found some more missing includes in jprt testing (thanks!!)
> > 
> > Differential:
> > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rkennke/8180932/webrev.18.diff/
> > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.18.diff/>
> > Full:
> > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rkennke/8180932/webrev.18/
> > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.18/>
> > 
> > Am I breaking the record for most webrev revisions? :-P
> > 
> > According the Robbin, builds are now all clean.
> > 
> > Can I get final reviews and then a sponsor?
> 
> src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.cpp
> No comments.
> 
> Only reviewed the one file that changed since webrev.15.
> 
> Thumbs up!

+1, since the incremental changes are trivial I'll sponsor the push now.

We seem to have an issue with:
gc/arguments/TestAggressiveHeap.java (8183910)
So push might need a couple of reruns.

/Robbin

> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Roman
> > 
> > Am 16.07.2017 um 10:25 schrieb Robbin Ehn:
> > > Hi Roman,
> > > 
> > > On 2017-07-12 15:32, Roman Kennke wrote:
> > > > Hi Robbin and all,
> > > > 
> > > > I fixed the 32bit failures by using jlong in all relevant places:
> > > > 
> > > > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rkennke/8180932/webrev.14.diff/
> > > > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.14.diff/>
> > > > 
> > > > then Robbin found another problem. SafepointCleanupTest started to fail,
> > > > because "mark nmethods" is no longer printed. This made me think that
> > > > we're not measuring the conflated (and possibly parallelized)
> > > > deflate-idle-monitors+mark-nmethods pass. I added a TraceTime with
> > > > "safepoint cleanup tasks" which measures the total duration of safepoint
> > > > cleanup. We can't reasonably measure a possibly parallel and conflated
> > > > pass standalone, but we can measure all and by subtrating all the other
> > > > subphases, get an idea how long deflation and nmethod marking take up.
> > > > 
> > > > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rkennke/8180932/webrev.15.diff/
> > > > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.15.diff/>
> > > > 
> > > > The full webrev is now:
> > > > 
> > > > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rkennke/8180932/webrev.15/
> > > > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.15/>
> > > > 
> > > > Hope that's all ;-)
> > > With this changeset something always pop-ups.
> > > 
> > > Failure reason: Targets failed.  Target macosx_x64_10.9-fastdebug FAILED.
> > > 
> > > /opt/jprt/jib-data/install/jpg/infra/builddeps/devkit-macosx_x64/Xcode6.3-MacOSX \
> > > 10.9+1.0/devkit-macosx_x64-Xcode6.3-MacOSX10.9+1.0.tar.gz/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/clang++
> > >                 
> > > -m64 -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -flimit-debug-info -D__STDC_FORMAT_MACROS
> > > -D__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS -D__STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS -D_ALLBSD_SOURCE
> > > -D_DARWIN_C_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions
> > > -fvisibility=hidden -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer -mstack-alignment=16
> > > -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -DMAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED=1070
> > > -mmacosx-version-min=10.7.0 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -DVM_LITTLE_ENDIAN
> > > -D_LP64=1 -Wno-deprecated -Wpointer-arith -Wsign-compare -Wundef
> > > -Wunused-function -Wformat=2 -DASSERT -DCHECK_UNHANDLED_OOPS
> > > -DTARGET_ARCH_x86 -DINCLUDE_SUFFIX_OS=_bsd -DINCLUDE_SUFFIX_CPU=_x86
> > > -DINCLUDE_SUFFIX_COMPILER=_gcc -DTARGET_COMPILER_gcc -DAMD64
> > > -DHOTSPOT_LIB_ARCH='"amd64"' -DCOMPILER1 -DCOMPILER2 -DDTRACE_ENABLED
> > > -DINCLUDE_AOT
> > > -I/opt/jprt/T/P1/193338.rehn/s/hotspot/src/closed/share/vm
> > > -I/opt/j/opt/jprt/T/P1/193338.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.cpp:654:22:
> > >                 
> > > error: variable has incomplete type 'StrongRootsScope'
> > > StrongRootsScope srs(num_cleanup_workers);
> > > ^
> > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/193338.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/shared/genCollectedHeap.hpp:33:7:
> > >                 
> > > note: forward declaration of 'StrongRootsScope'
> > > class StrongRootsScope;
> > > ^
> > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/193338.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.cpp:659:22:
> > > error: variable has incomplete type 'StrongRootsScope'
> > > StrongRootsScope srs(1);
> > > ^
> > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/193338.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/shared/genCollectedHeap.hpp:33:7:
> > >                 
> > > note: forward declaration of 'StrongRootsScope'
> > > class StrongRootsScope;
> > > ^
> > > 2 errors generated.
> > > make[3]: ***
> > > [/opt/jprt/T/P1/193338.rehn/s/build/macosx-x64-debug/hotspot/variant-server/libjvm/objs/safepoint.o]
> > >  Error 1
> > > make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
> > > make[2]: *** [hotspot-server-libs] Error 2
> > > 
> > > Send me the new webrev and I'll test it before the 16th round of
> > > review :)
> > > 
> > > /Robbin
> > > 
> > > > Roman
> > > > 
> > > > Am 10.07.2017 um 21:22 schrieb Robbin Ehn:
> > > > > Hi, unfortunately the push failed on 32-bit.
> > > > > 
> > > > > (looks like _stack_traversal_mark should be jlong, I feel a bit guilty)
> > > > > 
> > > > > I do not have anytime to look at this, so here is the error.
> > > > > 
> > > > > /Robbin
> > > > > 
> > > > > make[3]: Leaving directory '/opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/make'
> > > > > make/Main.gmk:263: recipe for target 'hotspot-client-libs' failed
> > > > > In file included from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.hpp:29:0,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/shared/collectedHeap.hpp:33,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/cms/adaptiveFreeList.cpp:28:
> > > > >  
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp: In
> > > > > member function 'long int nmethod::stack_traversal_mark()':
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp:399:108:
> > > > > 
> > > > > error: call of overloaded 'load_acquire(volatile long int*)' is
> > > > > ambiguous
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp:399:108:
> > > > > 
> > > > > note: candidates are:
> > > > > In file included from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/typeArrayOop.hpp:30:0,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/constantPool.hpp:32,
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/method.hpp:34,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/frame.hpp:28,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/codeBlob.hpp:31,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/compiledMethod.hpp:28,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp:28,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.hpp:29,
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/shared/collectedHeap.hpp:33,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/cms/adaptiveFreeList.cpp:28:
> > > > >  
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:57:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note: static jint OrderAccess::load_acquire(const volatile jint*)
> > > > > <near match>
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:57:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note:   no known conversion for argument 1 from 'volatile long int*'
> > > > > to 'const volatile jint* {aka const volatile int*}'
> > > > > In file included from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/typeArrayOop.hpp:30:0,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/constantPool.hpp:32,
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/method.hpp:34,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/frame.hpp:28,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/codeBlob.hpp:31,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/compiledMethod.hpp:28,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp:28,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.hpp:29,
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/shared/collectedHeap.hpp:33,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/cms/adaptiveFreeList.cpp:28:
> > > > >  
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:63:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note: static juint OrderAccess::load_acquire(const volatile juint*)
> > > > > <near match>
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:63:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note:   no known conversion for argument 1 from 'volatile long int*'
> > > > > to 'const volatile juint* {aka const volatile unsigned int*}'
> > > > > In file included from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.hpp:29:0,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/shared/collectedHeap.hpp:33,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/cms/adaptiveFreeList.cpp:28:
> > > > >  
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp: In
> > > > > member function 'void nmethod::set_stack_traversal_mark(long int)':
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp:400:105:
> > > > > 
> > > > > error: call of overloaded 'release_store(volatile long int*, long
> > > > > int&)' is ambiguous
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp:400:105:
> > > > > 
> > > > > note: candidates are:
> > > > > In file included from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/typeArrayOop.hpp:30:0,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/constantPool.hpp:32,
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/oops/method.hpp:34,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/frame.hpp:28,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/codeBlob.hpp:31,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/compiledMethod.hpp:28,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/code/nmethod.hpp:28,
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/safepoint.hpp:29,
> > > > > 
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/shared/collectedHeap.hpp:33,
> > > > >  
> > > > > from
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/gc/cms/adaptiveFreeList.cpp:28:
> > > > >  
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:71:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note: static void OrderAccess::release_store(volatile jint*, jint)
> > > > > <near match>
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:71:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note:   no known conversion for argument 1 from 'volatile long int*'
> > > > > to 'volatile jint* {aka volatile int*}'
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:77:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note: static void OrderAccess::release_store(volatile juint*, juint)
> > > > > <near match>
> > > > > /opt/jprt/T/P1/185117.rehn/s/hotspot/src/share/vm/runtime/orderAccess.inline.hpp:77:17:
> > > > >  
> > > > > note:   no known conversion for argument 1 from 'volatile long int*'
> > > > > to 'volatile juint* {aka volatile unsigned int*}'
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 2017-07-10 20:50, Robbin Ehn wrote:
> > > > > > I'll start a push now.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > /Robbin
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On 2017-07-10 12:38, Roman Kennke wrote:
> > > > > > > Ok, so I guess I need a sponsor for this now:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rkennke/8180932/webrev.12/
> > > > > > > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.12/>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Roman
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Am 07.07.2017 um 20:09 schrieb Igor Veresov:
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 7, 2017, at 4:23 AM, Robbin Ehn <robbin.ehn@oracle.com
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:robbin.ehn@oracle.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi Roman,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On 07/07/2017 12:51 PM, Roman Kennke wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Robbin,
> > > > > > > > > > > Far down ->
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On 07/06/2017 08:05 PM, Roman Kennke wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not happy about this change:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +  ~ParallelSPCleanupThreadClosure() {
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +    // This is here to be consistent with sweeper.cpp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > NMethodSweeper::mark_active_nmethods().
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +    // TODO: Is this really needed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +    OrderAccess::storestore();
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +  }
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because we're adding an OrderAccess::storestore() to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > consistent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with an OrderAccess::storestore() that's not properly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > documented
> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is only increasing the technical debt.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So a couple of things above don't make sense to me:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - sweeper thread runs outside safepoint
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - VMThread (which is doing the nmethod marking in the \
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking at) runs while all other threads (incl. the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sweeper)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is holding still.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be no need for a storestore() (at least in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sweeper.cpp...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Either one or the other are running. Either the VMThread is
> > > > > > > > > > > > marking
> > > > > > > > > > > > nmethods (during safepoint) or the sweeper threads are \
> > > > > > > > > > > > running (outside
> > > > > > > > > > > > safepoint). Between the two phases, there is a guaranteed
> > > > > > > > > > > > OrderAccess::fence() (see safepoint.cpp). Therefore, no
> > > > > > > > > > > > storestore()
> > > > > > > > > > > > should be necessary.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > From Igor's comment I can see how it happened though:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > *is* a race in sweeper's own concurrent processing \
> > > > > > > > > > > > (concurrent with
> > > > > > > > > > > > compiler threads, as far as I understand). And there's a call \
> > > > > > > > > > > > to nmethod::mark_as_seen_on_stack() after which a \
> > > > > > > > > > > > storestore() is required
> > > > > > > > > > > > (as per Igor's explanation). So the logic probably was: we \
> > > > > > > > > > > > have mark_as_seen_on_stack() followed by storestore() here, \
> > > > > > > > > > > > so let's also put
> > > > > > > > > > > > a storestore() in the other places that call
> > > > > > > > > > > > mark_as_seen_on_stack(),
> > > > > > > > > > > > one of which happens to be the safepoint cleanup code that \
> > > > > > > > > > > > we're discussing. (why the storestore() hasn't been put right \
> > > > > > > > > > > > into mark_as_seen_on_stack() I don't understand). In short, \
> > > > > > > > > > > > one storestore()
> > > > > > > > > > > > really was necessary, the other looks like it has been put \
> > > > > > > > > > > > there 'for
> > > > > > > > > > > > consistency' or just conservatively. But it shouldn't be
> > > > > > > > > > > > necessary in
> > > > > > > > > > > > the safepoint cleanup code that we're discussing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > So what should we do? Remove the storestore() for good?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Refactor the
> > > > > > > > > > > > code so that both paths at least call the storestore() in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > > > place? (E.g. make mark_active_nmethods() use the closure and
> > > > > > > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > > > > > storestore() in the dtor as proposed?)
> > > > > > > > > > > I took a quick look, maybe I'm missing some stuff but:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > So there is a slight optimization when not running sweeper to
> > > > > > > > > > > skip
> > > > > > > > > > > compiler barrier/fence in stw.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Don't think that matter, so I propose something like:
> > > > > > > > > > > -  long  stack_traversal_mark()                    { return
> > > > > > > > > > > _stack_traversal_mark; }
> > > > > > > > > > > -  void  set_stack_traversal_mark(long l)          {
> > > > > > > > > > > _stack_traversal_mark = l; }
> > > > > > > > > > > +  long  stack_traversal_mark()                    { return
> > > > > > > > > > > OrderAccess::load_acquire(&_stack_traversal_mark); }
> > > > > > > > > > > +  void  set_stack_traversal_mark(long l)          {
> > > > > > > > > > > OrderAccess::release_store(&_stack_traversal_mark, l); }
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Maybe make _stack_traversal_mark volatile also, just as a \
> > > > > > > > > > > marking that
> > > > > > > > > > > it is concurrent accessed.
> > > > > > > > > > > And remove both storestore.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > "Also neither of these state variables are volatile in
> > > > > > > > > > > nmethod, so
> > > > > > > > > > > even the compiler may reorder the stores"
> > > > > > > > > > > Fortunately at least _state is volatile now.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > I think _state also should use la/rs semantics instead, but
> > > > > > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > > > > another story.
> > > > > > > > > > Like this?
> > > > > > > > > > http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rkennke/8180932/webrev.12/
> > > > > > > > > > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.12/>
> > > > > > > > > > <http://cr.openjdk.java.net/%7Erkennke/8180932/webrev.12/>
> > > > > > > > > Yes, exactly, I like this!
> > > > > > > > > Dan? Igor ? Tobias?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > That seems correct.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > igor
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Roman!
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > BTW I'm going on vacation (5w) in a few hours, but I will follow
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > thread/changeset to the end!
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > /Robbin
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Roman
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