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List:       openejb-development
Subject:    Re: TomEE Plus?
From:       David Blevins <david.blevins () gmail ! com>
Date:       2011-08-19 5:21:37
Message-ID: 0EAE96FB-9A29-4B0F-9AFF-78B6C11BE012 () gmail ! com
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If we can boot and run without CXF, that's good enough.  I know the core can, not \
sure on TomEE itself.

With our deployment design the way it is (split between config and assembly) we can \
do all sorts of things to the app prior to handing it over to the Assembler.  There's \
already some code that can strip out JMS & CMP (DebuggableVmHackery) and some that \
can strip out Web Services and references to Web Services (RemoveWebServices).

So we can strip things out and issue a warning, deploying the "trimmed" app.  Or we \
can reject the app and issue failures.  Can easily do both and make it configurable \
via a flag.

-David

On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:

> today WS, RS are pretty integrated and not in a very pluggable way in core
> etc so if you find there is an easy way to split tomee it is a good idea
> otherwise it is probably a bad idea, we'll have a more complicated code to
> gain nothing special excepted some Mo.
> 
> - Romain
> 
> 2011/8/19 David Blevins <david.blevins@gmail.com>
> 
> > 
> > On Aug 18, 2011, at 3:06 PM, David Blevins wrote:
> > 
> > > So with the Java EE 6 certification work we're doing we have some
> > decisions to make.
> > > 
> > > Currently, we're beyond plain Web Profile.  The additional bits that we
> > include are:
> > > 
> > > - Connector
> > > - EJB Full (MDBs, CMP, etc)
> > > - JMS
> > > - JAX-WS
> > > - JAX-RS
> > > - JavaMail ? (not sure on that one)
> > > 
> > > For the most part this means CXF and ActiveMQ.  Two thoughts here:
> > > 
> > > 1. It would be nice to be certified by JavaOne -- we might be able to
> > make it if we scale back to the minimum
> > > 2. Some people might prefer something that doesn't contain ActiveMQ &
> > CXF anyway
> > > 
> > > So i'm wondering if we shouldn't take what we currently call TomEE and
> > split it into two distros:
> > > 
> > > - TomEE
> > > - TomEE Plus
> > > 
> > > The first would be the bare minimum for a web profile impl.  This is the
> > one we could probably certify by JavaOne.  The second would be what we think
> > of as TomEE now, i.e. it has extra bits we think are useful in the real
> > world.  We can still certify this, but will take a bit longer -- my guess is
> > a couple months.
> > > 
> > > I'm guessing for the plain TomEE distro we could cut the libs down to
> > half.  Aside from ActiveMQ & CXF and their dependencies being trimmed, we
> > could cut out Quartz (EJB Full @Schedule support) and likely a few other
> > things.
> > > 
> > > In general it seems like a good idea to give people the choice.  People
> > could do a bit more "build your own stack" on top of the slimmed TomEE
> > distro than with the fuller TomEE distro.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Note on the marketing side.  We would get to make two certification
> > announcements which is pretty cool :)
> > 
> > 
> > -David
> > 
> > 


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