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List:       openbsd-misc
Subject:    Re: Future of X.org?
From:       Leonid Bobrov <mazocomp () disroot ! org>
Date:       2019-06-30 23:22:02
Message-ID: 20190630232202.GA79377 () mazocomp ! lan
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I make a mistake by writting this mail, but:

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 09:09:08PM +0000, Roderick wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote:
> 
> > Nope, you misunderstood the text.
> 
> No. It is *you* that do not understand what X11 is and want it death.
> A very destructive attitude.
> 

No, it's your attitude is destructive.

> > "This doesn't mean that remote rendering won't be possible with Wayland,
> > it just means that you will have to put a remote rendering server on top
> > of Wayland. One such server could be the X.org server".
> 
> You quote the text and are unable to get the conclusion: having
> wayland, if you need X11, then you must implement an X11 server.
> 
> Is it not clear from the text that for upgrading wayland to X11,
> you must implement X11, and the autor avoided it for keeping it simple?
> 
> Is it not clear that wayland is *never* a substitute of X11?
> 
> You confuse X11 with a graphical display, such the old ones of
> Amiga or MacOS. It was always possible to have it in unix. But
> that was never the purpose of X11. The graphic display is only
> a byproduct of X11.
> 
> I remember in the 1990s that it was possible to run a comercial
> X11 in Macs: They had their graphical display, but that was neither X11
> nor a substituite of it. But you are trying to convince us that
> wayland is a substitute of X11, that X11 must die.
> 
> And Xorg / xenocara is not bloat: it runs on meager X11 terminals.
> The bloat will come with wayland.
> 
> And X11 imposes an standard. Programs done as X11 clients may run in
> any OS display in other. Wayland will bring chaos.
> 
> Rodrigo
> 

You are a liar, the Xenocara is a bloat. X11 is a bloat and its implementation
called X.org is a greater bloat. Mesa is a bloat, it's a shit fat C++ library.

X Window System is just a shit windowing system while Wayland is a simple,
fast and secure display server protocol.
(Well, almost simple, this XML dependance is overkill.)

You people protecting X make me doubt that OpenBSD aims security, I am
agree with Linus Torvalds who called us monkeys.

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