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Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Debian complaints
From: Tony Anderson <tony_anderson () usa ! net>
Date: 2016-12-17 20:05:44
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Hi, Walter
Of course, we need qualified volunteers to undertake the task. So far,
our release managers have provided support for osbuild but have not
undertaken to provide a release intended for adoption by a general user
or by a institutional deployment. The Sugar Labs web site offers
releases for many platforms, but the email discussion shows that none of
these can really be considered a stable, tested release.
It appears that the Debian repository, if updated for 0.110 and then
passing the Debian test procedures should be the proper basis for a
Raspbian and Ubuntu release.
I would hope our community has some one with the skills and
determination to take this on.
Tony
On 12/17/2016 09:34 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I cannot separate the desire to have an easy install on Debian from
> the work needed to achieve that goal. Hence my asking that we expand
> this discussion to include those who might be able to help us do that
> work.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson@usa.net
> <mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi, Walter
>
> We again seem to have a problem in communication. My concern is
> not to solve a specific problem. My concern is to leverage this
> Debian process to help
> Sugar Labs offer an effective release of Sugar that can become a
> viable alternative for educators to implement. This can not
> require specific technical knowledge such as the sugar developers
> have, but the ability to install Sugar on an ordinary laptop. This
> is handled by Libre Office. I can install Libre Office on an Xo
> with the following script:
>
> echo 'install libreoffice'
> cd libreoffice
> sudo rpm -Uvh *.rpm
> cd $here
>
> where libreoffice is a directory containing the Libre Office rpms.
> This requires no access to the internet nor any special technical
> skills. The
> overall script is
>
> cd /run/media/olpc/xo175
> bash xo-custom
>
> where xo175 is the label of the USB drive.
>
> Why can't we have something as simple for Sugar? Debian seems to
> be spending some effort to package Sugar in their repository. Why
> can't we expend
> a little effort so that Sugar can be installed by dpkg -i sugar?
>
> I addressed this to SLOBS because I think this is a Sugar Labs
> issue, not a technical one.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 12/17/2016 04:50 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
>> None of this seems like it would be difficult to resolve. We need
>> to find someone who is in the debian world to jump in. Can you
>> cross post to sugar-devel?
>>
>> thx
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tony Anderson
>> <tony_anderson@usa.net <mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I continue to get messages like this - I suspect because I
>> signed up for pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
>> <mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>. However,
>> there doesn't appear to be anyone from the Sugar community
>> involved.
>>
>> Format: 1.8
>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:10:30 +0100
>> Source: sugar-imageviewer-activity
>> Binary: sugar-imageviewer-activity
>> Architecture: source all
>> Version: 62-3
>> Distribution: unstable
>> Urgency: medium
>> Maintainer: Debian Sugar
>> Team<pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
>> <mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>>
>> Changed-By: Jonas Smedegaard<dr@jones.dk <mailto:dr@jones.dk>>
>> Description:
>> sugar-imageviewer-activity - Sugar Learning Platform - image
>> viewing activity
>> Changes:
>> sugar-imageviewer-activity (62-3) unstable; urgency=medium
>> .
>> * Update copyright info:
>> + Update URLs to reflect new Github home.
>> + Extend coverage for Debian packaging.
>> * Declare compliance with Debian Policy 3.9.8.
>> * Fix broken path in desktop file.
>> * Have git-buildpackage filter any .git* file.
>> * Modernize CDBS use:
>> + Generalize resolving build-dependency on python.
>> + Build-depend on licensecheck (not devscripts).
>>
>> Is there anyone who cares? Since Sugar Labs does not make a
>> Debian release of Sugar, perhaps we should tell Debian to
>> drop Sugar and forget about it.
>> Naturally, we would be turning our back on the opportunity to
>> create a Sugar release for Debian which would install on
>> Ubuntu and Raspbian and. potentially, Windows 10.
>> _______________________________________________
>> SLOBs mailing list
>> SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org>
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs
>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>
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Hi, Walter<br>
<br>
Of course, we need qualified volunteers to undertake the task. So
far, our release managers have provided support for osbuild but have
not undertaken to provide a release intended for adoption by a
general user or by a institutional deployment. The Sugar Labs web
site offers releases for many platforms, but the email discussion
shows that none of these can really be considered a stable, tested
release.<br>
<br>
It appears that the Debian repository, if updated for 0.110 and then
passing the Debian test procedures should be the proper basis for a
Raspbian and Ubuntu release.<br>
<br>
I would hope our community has some one with the skills and
determination to take this on. <br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2016 09:34 PM, Walter Bender
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CADf7C8t5uAG37j1hnOinyYQDg-EGkjGT3OX+m_yo6QE0E6rPuA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Tony,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I cannot separate the desire to have an easy install on
Debian from the work needed to achieve that goal. Hence my
asking that we expand this discussion to include those who
might be able to help us do that work.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-walter<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:06 PM,
Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank"><a \
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span> \
wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Walter<br>
<br>
We again seem to have a problem in communication. My
concern is not to solve a specific problem. My concern
is to leverage this Debian process to help <br>
Sugar Labs offer an effective release of Sugar that
can become a viable alternative for educators to
implement. This can not require specific technical
knowledge such as the sugar developers have, but the
ability to install Sugar on an ordinary laptop. This
is handled by Libre Office. I can install Libre Office
on an Xo with the following script:<br>
<br>
echo 'install libreoffice'<br>
cd libreoffice<br>
sudo rpm -Uvh *.rpm<br>
cd $here<br>
<br>
where libreoffice is a directory containing the Libre
Office rpms. This requires no access to the internet
nor any special technical skills. The <br>
overall script is <br>
<br>
cd /run/media/olpc/xo175<br>
bash xo-custom<br>
<br>
where xo175 is the label of the USB drive.<br>
<br>
Why can't we have something as simple for Sugar?
Debian seems to be spending some effort to package
Sugar in their repository. Why can't we expend <br>
a little effort so that Sugar can be installed by dpkg
-i sugar?<br>
<br>
I addressed this to SLOBS because I think this is a
Sugar Labs issue, not a technical one.<span
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Tony</font></span>
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<div class="m_5136891178717137326moz-cite-prefix">On
12/17/2016 04:50 PM, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">None of this seems like it would
be difficult to resolve. We need to find
someone who is in the debian world to jump in.
Can you cross post to sugar-devel?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thx</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2016
at 1:17 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span> \
wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I continue to
get messages like this - I suspect because
I signed up for <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org" \
target="_blank">pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.d<wbr>ebian.org</a>. However,<br>
there doesn't appear to be anyone from the
Sugar community involved.<br>
<br>
Format: 1.8<br>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:10:30 +0100<br>
Source: sugar-imageviewer-activity<br>
Binary: sugar-imageviewer-activity<br>
Architecture: source all<br>
Version: 62-3<br>
Distribution: unstable<br>
Urgency: medium<br>
Maintainer: Debian Sugar Team<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.ali">pkg-sugar-devel@lists.ali</a><wbr>oth.debian.org</a>><br>
Changed-By: Jonas Smedegaard<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dr@jones.dk"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:dr@jones.dk">dr@jones.dk</a></a>><br> Description:<br>
sugar-imageviewer-activity - Sugar
Learning Platform - image viewing activity<br>
Changes:<br>
sugar-imageviewer-activity (62-3)
unstable; urgency=medium<br>
.<br>
* Update copyright info:<br>
+ Update URLs to reflect new Github
home.<br>
+ Extend coverage for Debian
packaging.<br>
* Declare compliance with Debian Policy
3.9.8.<br>
* Fix broken path in desktop file.<br>
* Have git-buildpackage filter any
.git* file.<br>
* Modernize CDBS use:<br>
+ Generalize resolving
build-dependency on python.<br>
+ Build-depend on licensecheck (not
devscripts).<br>
<br>
Is there anyone who cares? Since Sugar
Labs does not make a Debian release of
Sugar, perhaps we should tell Debian to
drop Sugar and forget about it.<br>
Naturally, we would be turning our back on
the opportunity to create a Sugar release
for Debian which would install on Ubuntu
and Raspbian and. potentially, Windows 10.<br>
\
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> SLOBs mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org"
target="_blank">SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs"
rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/lis<wbr>tinfo/slobs</a><br> </blockquote>
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-- <br>
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<div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
<font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
<div><font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sugarlabs.org"
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target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br> <br>
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-- <br>
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data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
<font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
<div><font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" \
target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br> <br>
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