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Subject: Re: Raspberri Pi/clone(s) most ruggedizable for OLPC fieldwork?
From: Adam Holt <holt () laptop ! org>
Date: 2016-02-06 21:10:43
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On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Adam Holt <holt@laptop.org> wrote:
> Dogi & All,
>
> You are the expert here (on the low end especially, with $5 Raspberri Pi
> Zeros!) leading OLE refugee camp deployments across many countries.
> Whereas most OLPC-like schools I talk to want to spend $100 (or more) for a
> mini-server that's truly resilient for years in tropical environments,
> against rodents/humidity, untrained-operators especially, and oh yeah kids
> smacking them around, stealing SD cards etc ;)
>
> (Yes some of us proudly confess we use XO-1.5 and similar mini-servers on
> the low end, e.g. in many after-school programs, despite Tony's friendly
> fundamentalism that XO's should not be allowed to serve others nearby,
> recycling these XO-1.5's into family/mentoring learning environments is a
> huge win, but more about that another day :-)
>
> Looking into the future, so many of these community deployment leaders
> want something beefier right now. Sometimes even a hard disk drive "for
> just $50 more" (that's the fantasy anyway!) Even now that 4 or 8 GB RAM
> appears essentially free--it does not fit on most of these tiny
> motherboards. Nor does a 1TB hard disk drive fit, that many of these
> groups dream of (and are generally happy to shove in a live/spare HDD
> inside, when the prior one dies!)
>
> So, in conclusion we're exactly 4 years into RPi era (began February 2012)
> and showing a lot of maturity^h^hgrayhair now :) I assume there are a
> gazillion Raspberry Pi clones -- the central question is which ones we
> should narrow down upon, now that push has come to shove in 2016, serving
> educational microserver applications (school and non-schools) across those
> ~4 billion "offline" people now asking us for that:
>
> - Will the $15 http://pine64.com (which just raised $1.7M) become
> genuinely productizable for truly hassle-free field use with 128GB MicroSD
> cards by late 2016? On the bright side, it accommodates 128GB maximum,
> which is exactly what we need on the high end in 2016.
> - Or are traditional RPi 2 clones, such as Banana Pi's and this $40
> Korean unit more practical in the short-term?
> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3030251/computer-hardware/make-a-40-linux-or-android-pc-with-new-raspberry-pi-2-rival.html
>
> - Understanding full well this is as much a plastics / industrial
> design question / economies-of-scale question first-and-foremost, more than
> a computer specs question per se. Still today, few people appreciate (or
> even understand) how much OLPC's contribution a decade ago was a revolution
> in plastics/maintainability/droppability. When Apple/Google are daily
> throwing gigahertz specs at us, that marketing-centric misunderstanding is
> of course only natural :/
>
>
Don't make em like they used to! e.g. this just in from Ghana:
"amazing is that NONE of the laptops we have brought, on and off, say five
years ago or so are working. Full of mold and who knows what. But the OLPCs
keep perking along. This is not a perfect world---but the 5th grade or so
level within walking distance are getting computer classes regularly at the
library. Perfect world? No, but they can say they've had the experience.
And who knows?? I myself grew up with no electricity, no running water,
horses instead of tractors, an old wall-based telephone that barely worked,
etc. A lot has to do with the individual taking the experiences put in
front of them and running with it!!"
Sadly today most people dismiss OLPC hype, preferring the cheapest possibly
junk, refusing to even consider what a "rugged" business model might one
day look like..
*Etc, Thanks in advance to those who've done so much more RPi field
> research and can share!!*
>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Adam Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dogi & All,<br><br><div>You are \
the expert here (on the low end especially, with $5 Raspberri Pi Zeros!) leading OLE \
refugee camp deployments across many countries. Whereas most OLPC-like schools I \
talk to want to spend $100 (or more) for a mini-server that's truly resilient for \
years in tropical environments, against rodents/humidity, untrained-operators \
especially, and oh yeah kids smacking them around, stealing SD cards etc \
;)<br><br>(Yes some of us proudly confess we use XO-1.5 and similar mini-servers on \
the low end, e.g. in many after-school programs, despite Tony's friendly \
fundamentalism that XO's should not be allowed to serve others nearby, recycling \
these XO-1.5's into family/mentoring learning environments is a huge win, but \
more about that another day :-)<br><br>Looking into the future, so many of these \
community deployment leaders want something beefier right now. Sometimes even a \
hard disk drive "for just $50 more" (that's the fantasy anyway!) Even \
now that 4 or 8 GB RAM appears essentially free--it does not fit on most of these \
tiny motherboards. Nor does a 1TB hard disk drive fit, that many of these groups \
dream of (and are generally happy to shove in a live/spare HDD inside, when the prior \
one dies!)<br><br></div><div>So, in conclusion we're exactly 4 years into RPi era \
(began February 2012) and showing a lot of maturity^h^hgrayhair now :) I assume \
there are a gazillion Raspberry Pi clones -- the central question is which ones we \
should narrow down upon, now that push has come to shove in 2016, serving educational \
microserver applications (school and non-schools) across those ~4 billion \
"offline" people now asking us for that:<br></div><ul><li>Will the $15 <a \
href="http://pine64.com" target="_blank">http://pine64.com</a> (which just raised \
$1.7M) become genuinely productizable for truly hassle-free field use with 128GB \
MicroSD cards by late 2016? On the bright side, it accommodates 128GB maximum, \
which is exactly what we need on the high end in 2016.<br></li><li>Or are traditional \
RPi 2 clones, such as Banana Pi's and this $40 Korean unit more practical in the \
short-term? <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/article/3030251/computer-hardware/make-a-40-linux-or-android-pc-with-new-raspberry-pi-2-rival.html" \
target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com/article/3030251/computer-hardware/make-a- \
40-linux-or-android-pc-with-new-raspberry-pi-2-rival.html</a></li><li>Understanding \
full well this is as much a plastics / industrial design question / \
economies-of-scale question first-and-foremost, more than a computer specs question \
per se. Still today, few people appreciate (or even understand) how much OLPC's \
contribution a decade ago was a revolution in plastics/maintainability/droppability. \
When Apple/Google are daily throwing gigahertz specs at us, that marketing-centric \
misunderstanding is of course only natural \
:/<br></li></ul></div></blockquote><div><br>Don't make em like they used to! \
e.g. this just in from Ghana:<br><br><div style="margin-left:40px"><span \
style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">"amazing is that NONE of the \
laptops we have brought, on and off, say five years ago or so are working. Full of \
mold and who knows what. But the OLPCs keep perking along. This is not a perfect \
world---but the 5<sup>th</sup> grade or so level within walking distance are getting \
computer classes regularly at the library. Perfect world? No, but they can say \
they've had the experience. And who knows?? I myself grew up with no electricity, no \
running water, horses instead of tractors, an old wall-based telephone
that barely worked, etc. A lot has to do with the individual taking the
experiences put in front of them and running with \
it!!"</span><br></div><br>Sadly today most people dismiss OLPC hype, preferring \
the cheapest possibly junk, refusing to even consider what a "rugged" \
business model might one day look like..<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p><i>Etc, Thanks in advance to \
those who've done so much more RPi field research and can \
share!!</i></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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