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Subject:    RE: Come to the conference
From:       "TOMPKINS, MARGARET" <MARGARET.TOMPKINS () DFAS ! MIL>
Date:       2004-05-20 15:04:20
Message-ID: F001.005E505A.20040520075424 () fatcity ! com
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The schedule at a glance is out there too.  It's time to start agonizing over which \
sessions to attend.  I always find several I want to go to at the same time.  I \
always thought that was the mark of a really great conference!  Maggie

Respectfully, 
Maggie Tompkins - CAD SQA 
Corporate Applications Division 
Technology Services Organization - Kansas City 
Defense Finance and Accounting Service 
816-926-1117 (DSN 465); Margaret.Tompkins@dfas.mil 

-----Original Message-----
Riley, Mike
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:34 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-SQLPLUS-L


Lorrie,
 
www.odtug.com, of course!
 
Ditto the comments, absolutely the best "bang for the buck" available for ORACLE \
developers anywhere!!  
Mike

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:24 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-SQLPLUS-L



Where can I find out more about when, where, and the cost of this conference?

 

Lorrie Bridges

 

Programmer/Analyst

Abilene Christian University

(325)674-2831


  _____  


Paul Dorsey
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 6:13 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-SQLPLUS-L

 

All,

We are in one of the hardest places we have ever been as an industry for systems \
development. We are in a period of fastest evolution in the design/development space \
then we have ever been.

We are all being pushed into web deployment without a mature environment or clear \
standards for building systems. OO, J2EE, UML, Agile techniques are moving into our \
organizations. More and more systems are being driven by cowboy Java programmers with \
little appreciation for solid relation database design.

There is loads of new stuff that we should be using in the DBMS, SQL and PL/SQL but \
many of us are still building systems as if the tool set has not evolved since V7. \
Things like instead-of trigger views, autonomous transactions, global temporary \
tables and object collections should be part of every good developers tool kit.

The business rules approach has evolved to the point that whole systems are being \
built will almost all of the rules being placed in a repository.

We need to get together to make sure we exchange our ideas about best practices. The \
thread we have been having on reference tables is a perfect example. The debate \
between ref-tables and generic structures started years ago and has been heavily \
discussed at ODTUG. This is exactly where you can build the understanding to \
meaningfully make a good decision on how to handle that kind of issue. 

I know you will get pushback from your organization about taking a "week-off" and \
"goofing-off" at a conference. But there is probably no better week you could spend \
for your organization. The tips you can pick up at the conference could save your \
organizations millions of dollars by improving the design of your next system. 

I think any organization that doesn't send at least one developer/designer to ODTUG \
is just nuts. Most orgs that send more than one person find that the people have to \
carefully coordinate who goes to what as they find more than one paper per session \
that they HAVE to see.

Paul 

Paul Dorsey

Dulcian, Inc.


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<DIV><SPAN class=828515414-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The 
schedule at a glance is out there too.&nbsp; It's time to start agonizing over 
which sessions to attend.&nbsp; I always find several I want to go to at the 
same time.&nbsp; I always thought that was the mark of a really great 
conference!&nbsp; Maggie</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Respectfully,</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=Verdana 
color=#000080 size=2>Maggie Tompkins - CAD SQA</FONT></B> <BR><B><FONT 
face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2>Corporate Applications Division</FONT></B> 
<BR><B><FONT face=Verdana color=#ff0000 size=2>Technology Services Organization 
- Kansas City</FONT></B> <BR><B><FONT face=Verdana color=#ff0000 size=2>Defense 
Finance and Accounting Service</FONT></B> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 
size=2>816-926-1117 (DSN 465); 
Margaret.Tompkins@dfas.mil</FONT><B><I></I></B><B><I></I></B> </P>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ml-errors@fatcity.com 
  [mailto:ml-errors@fatcity.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Riley, Mike<BR><B>Sent:</B> 
  Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list 
  ODTUG-SQLPLUS-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Come to the 
  conference<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=953593714-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>Lorrie,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=953593714-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=953593714-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
  href="http://www.odtug.com">www.odtug.com</A>, of course!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=953593714-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=953593714-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>Ditto the comments, absolutely the best "bang for the buck" available 
  for ORACLE developers anywhere!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=953593714-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=953593714-20052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>Mike</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
    size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Lorrie Bridges 
    [mailto:ldb01a@acu.edu]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:24 
    AM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list 
    ODTUG-SQLPLUS-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Come to the 
    conference<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV class=Section1>
    <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Where can I find out more about when, 
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New Roman" color=#003300   size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: \
#003300">(325)674-2831</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></B></P></DIV>  <DIV>
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">   ml-errors@fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors@fatcity.com] \
<B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Paul Dorsey<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 6:13 
    AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Multiple recipients 
    of list ODTUG-SQLPLUS-L<BR><B><SPAN 
    style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Come to the 
    conference</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">All,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">We are in one of the hardest places we 
    have ever been as an industry for systems development. We are in a period of 
    fastest evolution in the design/development space then we have ever 
    been.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">We are all being pushed into web 
    deployment without a mature environment or clear standards for building 
    systems. OO, J2EE, UML, Agile techniques are moving into our organizations. 
    More and more systems are being driven by cowboy Java programmers with 
    little appreciation for solid relation database 
    design.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">There is loads of new stuff that we 
    should be using in the DBMS, SQL and PL/SQL but many of us are still 
    building systems as if the tool set has not evolved since V7. Things like 
    instead-of trigger views, autonomous transactions, global temporary tables 
    and object collections should be part of every good developers tool 
    kit.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">The business rules approach has evolved 
    to the point that whole systems are being built will almost all of the rules 
    being placed in a repository.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">We need to get together to make sure we 
    exchange our ideas about best practices. The thread we have been having on 
    reference tables is a perfect example. The debate between ref-tables and 
    generic structures started years ago and has been heavily discussed at 
    ODTUG. This is exactly where you can build the understanding to meaningfully 
    make a good decision on how to handle that kind of issue. 
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">I know you will get pushback from your 
    organization about taking a "week-off" and "goofing-off" at a conference. 
    But there is probably no better week you could spend for your organization. 
    The tips you can pick up at the conference could save your organizations 
    millions of dollars by improving the design of your next system. 
    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">I think any organization that doesn't 
    send at least one developer/designer to ODTUG is just nuts. Most orgs that 
    send more than one person find that the people have to carefully coordinate 
    who goes to what as they find more than one paper per session that they HAVE 
    to see.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">Paul <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">Paul 
Dorsey<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN 
    style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">Dulcian, 
    Inc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>



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