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Subject: Re: Eclipse IDE
From: Brian Duff <Brian.Duff () oracle ! com>
Date: 2003-12-05 12:14:28
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From a purely practical point of view, it's worth pointing out that
JDeveloper, itself a huge Swing/Java application, runs without major
problems on 1.5 already without any changes. Given that 1.5 is such a
substantial release (despite the apparently minor change in version
number), this is quite an achievement and is testament to how generally
backward compatible Java is between releases.
Many of the issues we do experience when moving between JDK releases are
related to minor UI inconsistencies in Swing. Often these are quite
visible, so need to be fixed, but don't cause any major loss of
functionality.
Thanks,
Brian
Steve Muench wrote:
> Laimis,
>
> I didn't have time to go find a URL to point you to on the Sun's
> website where it stated this explicitly, but all of the language
> features have undergone close JCP community scrutiny, as well as
> public feedback on the preview.
>
> For a definitive statement from Sun, I encourage you to visit java.sun.com
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Steve Muench - Developer, Product Mgr, Java/XML Evangelist, Author -
> Oracle
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0118231/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* ml-errors@fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors@fatcity.com] *On
> Behalf Of *lnd@hnit.is
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2003 10:34
> *To:* Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-JAVA-L
> *Subject:* RE: Eclipse IDE
>
> *>On Behalf Of *Steve Muench
> "intent is that JDK 1.5 is upwardly compatible with JDK 1.4 as far
> as I know."
>
> If you are not sure - how it could be? Sun's not caring ...
> because it makes no money out of it?
>
> Brgds, Laimis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* ml-errors@fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors@fatcity.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Muench
> *Sent:* 5. desember 2003 08:29
> *To:* Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-JAVA-L
> *Subject:* RE: Eclipse IDE
>
> I cannot know the future, but the intent is that JDK 1.5 is
> upwardly compatible with JDK 1.4 as far as I know.
>
> Most users I know found JDK 1.4 added a performance boost to
> their existing applications.
>
>
> Steve Muench - Developer, Product Mgr, Java/XML Evangelist,
> Author - Oracle
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0118231/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* ml-errors@fatcity.com
> [mailto:ml-errors@fatcity.com] *On Behalf Of *Amin Adatia
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2003 00:49
> *To:* Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-JAVA-L
> *Subject:* Re: Eclipse IDE
>
> So when JDK v1.5 is released, will everything done with
> JDK v1.4 or JDK v1.3 require re-coding? Last time I tried
> v1.4 everything that was working with v1.3 collapsed. That
> was about a year ago since when I have stayed away from
> any upgrades.
>
> Regards
> Amin Adatia (amin@knowtech.ca <mailto:amin@knowtech.ca>)
> KnowTech Solutions Inc (www.knowtech.ca
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steve Muench <mailto:Steve.Muench@oracle.com>
> *To:* Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-JAVA-L
> <mailto:ODTUG-JAVA-L@fatcity.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2003 09:09
> *Subject:* RE: Eclipse IDE
>
>
> | The point is: JDeveloper relies on standard Java but
> it adds a lot of it's own,
> | it is not a plain Java's compiler.
>
> We don't have a special version of Java. Everything we
> have passes the JCK tests from Sun for standards
> compliance. We don't add any
> extra bytecodes or anything tricky like that. :-)
>
> Every JDeveloper project is configurable so you can
> pick what JDK you want to compile/run with.
>
> The JDK 1.5 version from Sun adds a number of new
> features to the language to further enhance developer
> productivity. When JDK 1.5
> goes production, a subsequent version of JDeveloper
> IDE will support using that, too. JDK 1.5 adds
> typesafe enums and generics for
> typesafe collection simplication, as well as simpler
> collection iterator metaphors.
>
> Here's the first link that Google found for me on it:
> http://java.about.com/library/weekly/aa-java-15-a.htm
>
> Steve Muench - Developer, Product Mgr, Java/XML
> Evangelist, Author - Oracle
> http://radio.weblogs.com/0118231/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 14:34
> To: Multiple recipients of list ODTUG-JAVA-L
>
> Question regarding Java's freedom: in what way Sun's
> licenses protect Java?
>
> The point is: JDeveloper relies on standard Java but
> it adds a lot of it's own, it is not a plain Java's
> compiler.
> As a tool's cutomer I would choose to rely on Oracle
> and Oracle alone and be sure that Oracle can do what
> it needs with its tool,
> for example, modify Java's byte code (:-o) to run
> faster on MS Windows XP :-ooo. Not to mention Java's
> years away from many advanced
> C++ features, take templates alone (as a result,
> Java's code is full of type casting operators when it
> comes to iterators,
> collections, etc - is this what XXI age programming is
> supposed to look like?)
>
>
>
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